On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:27 PM, 118 wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:30 AM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:49 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:25 AM, 118 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>> >>>>> As you know, Buddha did not write anything. Neither did Socrates or >>>>> Jesus. So, all we have are interpretations by others of what he is >>>>> claimed to have said. This is important since it was claimed to be >>>>> recognized by Buddha that words only delimit. >>>>> >>>>> I am not quite sure what you mean by intuition. Is it instinct? >>>>> Perhaps intuition is shared awareness. I have sensed that something >>>>> was happening to someone I cared about. >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> No this is not what I meant. Mindfulness is what I meant. Where the good >>>> is unfolding, naturally. That is what I mean. >>> >>> [Mark] >>> OK, gotcha. I also call this living entirely in the present, or living in >>> DQ. >> >> >> Marsha: >> I am reluctant to say that is 'living in DQ'; mindfulness, or awareness seems >> a good description. I've had what I would call unpatterned experiences, and >> I wouldn't even call them DQ experiences. > > [Mark] > Yes, difficult to wrap in words because then you hide it. But, this > appears to be what Pirsig is talking about in terms of DQ. I have no > idea what an unpatterned experience is. Doesn't experience denote a > pattern? DQ experiences, that might be a good way to put it, but take > away the plural since it is continuous. Maybe what you mean is a > pattern that has no confines. Is that it?
Marsha: I use the expression 'unpatterned experiences' with exactness. They were multiple experiences and they were experiences without visual or conceptual pattern. There was presence. There is nothing else for me to say. These experiences were very different from mindfulness. >>>>> I listen to the birds every morning when I wake up. This is a form of >>>>> shared awareness for by listening I create. >>>> >>>> When Siegfried was able to understand the birdsong, he was in >>>> tune with intuition. "The woodbird now sings of a woman sleeping >>>> on a rock surrounded by magic fire. Siegfried, wondering if he can >>>> learn fear from this woman, heads toward the mountain." Don't you >>>> just love it!!! >>> >>> You might like the Wind-up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami. It is >>> an intense but rewarding read. After reading that, I read all his >>> other books. >>> >>> Here is a link to a review: >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/11/02/reviews/971102.02jamest.html >> >> Marsha: >> I'll give the book a try. Speaking of music, the other day I was listening >> to >> Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and I couldn't help think of entering into the >> music as a river. > > [Mark] > Yes, I love it, especially the last part. Pretty rough river aye? Marsha: The last part is a chorus singing Ode to Joy. I am the white water. I am joy. But I love the Overture to Parsifal and Bach's Bist du bel mir. I often think of RMP's talking about losing interest in a piece of music, a record I think, but surely he was not talking about Beethoven, Bach, or Wagner, or any of the other music that lifts you to mountain tops or the ocean's depth. When I first met my husband, he brought me a record of the Concierto of Aranjuez. I closed my eyes and it was as if I was there. I saw those little white towns snuggled within the changing landscapes as clearly as if I had been a bird flying over them. I knew Spain long before I visited there. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
