dmb, I have no desire to discuss free-will or determinism with you, and I have no desire to play Whack-A-Mole.
Marsha On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:13 AM, david buchanan wrote: > > One minute, Marsha says: > > In the MoQ, there is no subject and there are no objects. If there is no > subject - if there is no self - then there is no subject/self to have freedom > of the will, and likewise, there is no subject/self who has a life that is > determined. The issue is meaningless. > > The next minute Marsha says: > For me, the MoQ's self is a collection of ever-changing, interrelated, > impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and > intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality. > > dmb asks: > So, which is it. Does the MOQ say there is no self or not? And if the MOQ > does say a self exists, why is freedom and morality meaningless? > > Steve applauds Marsha's back-tracking contradictions: > Exactly. Well said. And we can add that this does NOT render talk of freedom > meaningless. Pirsig obviously had a lot to say on the subject. In the MOQ, > freedom is associated with DQ rather than with "the will." > > dmb says: > As Marsha just construed it, the MOQ's self is a collection of static > patterns in a field of DQ and as you have just construed it, freedom is > associated with DQ rather than "the will", and by "will" I guess you mean the > will of a Cartesian subject. > > But why is Marsha's static self IN A FIELD of DQ? Isn't it true that DQ is > not external to the MOQ's self? And since we are talking about the relative > freedom and constraint of the MOQ's self, why do you insist that the MOQ's > self can have a "will"? What sense can we make of the MOQ's "betterness" > without some kind of will? > > Seems like it doesn't matter how many times I try to explain this but the > problem with your position isn't really metaphysical or philosophical. It's > just logically bogus, sometimes even to the extent of maintaining opposite > positions. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
