Evenin', dave. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote:
> > John said to Ian: > Oh yeah, you wanna know what's so funny about peace, love and > understanding? Is that they are so necessary for existence, and yet so > shunned in practice. Hilarious! > > > dmb says: > Elvis expresses a fine sentiment. John: Oh yeah. he made that song famous, didn't he. The first time I ever heard it was Bill Murray's Karaoke version, in Sophia's excellent movie, Lost in Translation. And ever since, that's who pops into my mind when Ian uses it. dmb: > The problem is that you're invoking it here, in a discussion forum, > whenever the disagreements get heated. John: Maybe you have a point, but it seemed to me that Ian invokes it ubiquitously and thus is making more of a general point about life, rather than a pointed observation of MD, but I could be wrong. Anyway, that was what I was responding to - the hilarity of a life where love peace and understanding are preached a lot, but practiced little. After all, it's not really a winning game, is it? It's a winning game to persuade others to be loving and understanding and peaceful, but being so myself costs me points in the great one-up-manship contest that's always going on. dmb: > You're asking for calm and cool, which is also a fine sentiment. But let's > not get too dramatic, eh? First of all, heated debate is not even close to > being the same thing as war or hate such that we need a call for peace and > love. John: But surely you can see that there is a connection. Those that practice peace and understanding in their rhetoric, tend to keep free from wars and fights. Practicing on paper, is a good start to getting rid of violence in practice. dmb: In this context, peace and love are going to be something like following the > rules of the forum and genuinely caring about the topic. Wouldn't it be > wrong to squelch disagreements and debates for the sake of being nice or > getting along? John: Well there, I agree absolutely. Intellectual arguments ought to be settled by what is right, not by what keeps people happy together or where the most get along in harmony. However, this is also a hilarious notion when comparing our ideals with real life. dmb: > Isn't it true that one of the biggest reasons for ditching the whole idea > of disinterested objectivity is that it leaves out one of the most crucial > factors, namely the feelings and attitudes? I think so. And that means that > heat and light go together. > > > I like that. Yes, heat and light go together. Which you focus on increasing more in your life depends on whether you're cold, or just can't see. I often wonder. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
