Matt, DMB, DMB, clearly I'm nobody you need care about, you can dismiss me with your defensive repartee anytime you like, but can you not see a problem when you find yourself even hinting that Matt espouses phoney and hypocritical behaviour ?
Ian On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Matt Kundert <[email protected]> wrote: > > DMB said: > Anyway, I think merit and means can be talked about separately in > the abstract but as a practical matter they are all tangled up in each > other. If your means are bogus then merit goes out the window and > if you have no merit but still insist on scoring points, then you have > to resort to bogus means. > > Matt: > Yeah, our disagreement appears to go down pretty far about the > ethics of inquiry and the kinds of allowable psychological profiles > and what maturity looks like. You should check out the Trilling book: > the moral stance you're taking has a history, and a very interesting > one, one that continues to evolve. > > The slim piece of your response I've pulled out above was just to > make clear on my part that my discussion of a kind of > Machiavellianism and that "means do matter in the long approach > to just ends" was intended to articulate just that point, that merit > and means are "all tangled up in each other." What you see as > my attempt to get you to act hypocritical, "phony" as you say, is > my attempt to give a better ethics of inquiry once one realizes that > they are tangled up. (Not at all, of course, conceding that the > behavior you described as being phony, e.g. to "preface the > criticism with some kindness or follow the accusation with > expressions of love," is really at all the kinds of behavior I was > commending. A better description is in my first post in this thread. > (See "Pirsig Institutionalized" for a few negative comments about > another "phony" behavior, the "just my opinion" qualifier.)) > > Matt > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
