Yes, Arlo, why more Pirsig quotes you know I know ? I'm offended ;-)

I didn't say biological I said "hard-wired" (in scare quotes - ie in
need of a good deal of unpicking if you want to turn that into the
subject of any discussion).
Remember as Marsha often reminds us, few things are truly static -
static enough to attract Pirsigian patterns, but always changing  -
just a question of which mechanisms / timescales are involved in their
changing

Human birth brings a lot more than biology with it .... now we're just
debating the subtleties of the boundary between biological and social,
in the light of latest knowledge.

If that's a debate you want - start a thread.
Ian

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Ian]
> Even a human dropped at birth with no life memory, would have a lot of
> "hard-wired" empathies and intellectual capacities I suspect ...
>
> [Arlo]
> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out
> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic
> nature." (LILA)
>
> There are no "hard-wired" (biological) intellectual capacities, at least not 
> in
> Pirsig's MOQ.
>
> Sure, the human would have biological instincts as per those evidenced by the
> species, but would not have access to social or intellectual patterns.
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