On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:59 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: > >> [Ian] >> If you saw it as the whole world with nothing / no-one beyond the horizons, >> even then I suspect it would / could. >> >> [Arlo] >> MRB's initial question was "would it occur to me on a desert island?", and >> the >> answer is "no". According to the MOQ, intellectual patterns of value do not >> spontaneously arise from the biological level. They emerge from the social >> level. >> >> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out >> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic >> nature." (LILA) >> >> In this case, MRB would have the range of agency opened up to him on the >> biological level, but he would not have access to social or intellectual >> patterns, in other words, no social or intellectual activity. >> >> And if you are talking not about "occurring to", but something witnessed by >> some hidden observer, then this observer would see MRB exhibiting about the >> same range of "free will" as an unsocialized ape. (The ape would be seen >> "choosing" to eat a banana, and so would MRB, but neither would be able to >> "choose" any behavior endemic to the social or intellectual levels.) > > Hi Arlo, > > Don't you think this might be a problems with considering all 'thinking' to > be > intellectual, or intellectual patterns? > > > Marsha >
I can, though, see that answer as 'the intellectual level is pure thinking'. That might be thinking detached from experience and context; thinking generalized to a degree where it becomes totally abstract. But I cannot agree that all thinking is of the Intellectual Level. I don't have it clear yet, but do you get my general drift? Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
