Is there a difference between the law holding someone responsible & protecting citizens from further harm and a individual being "morally responsible"? Just a question...
On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:36 AM, david buchanan wrote: > > Ian says he is "not getting what [Steve's] disagreement actually is [with > dmb]": > > So let's come back to your [Steve's] statement "moral (responsibility) and > free will are not linked (as a logical necessity)" ... I am at a loss to > understand how you are separating free-will from responsibility (at any > level, common sense, science, MoQ or metaphysical in general). > > > dmb says: > > As I understand it, the nature of the disagreement is very simple. Steve says > they are not linked and I say that his denial defies logic and overwhelming > evidence to the contrary. > > I tried, unsuccessfully, to get Steve to put every other factor aside and > just focus on the sheer logic of it. I thought if you looked at that single > brick with fresh eyes he'd see for himself what I mean. And so I asked just > one question. > > If our actions are determined, then how can we be held responsible for those > actions? > > I think that Steve cannot answer that question because it is logically > impossible. NOBODY can answer that question because you cannot be held > responsible for actions over which you have no control. Who says you aren't > responsible unless you have a choice? Mr. Pirsig, Mr. Logic, Mr. dictionary > and her highness, Princess encyclopedia, that's who. > > At one point, if memory serves, Steve even went so far as to say that Pirsig > doesn't talk about moral responsibility and otherwise suggested it plays no > important role in the MOQ. As far as I can figure, this odd stance is a > result of trying to make the MOQ accommodate Sam Harris's neurological > determinism wherein persons are as morally culpable as tornadoes. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
