Hi Marsha, For me it is much simpler. SQ is the "patterns" that we form with our brains. It provides a meaningful way for us to intellectually interact with that outside of each of us.
DQ is not intellectually "knowable" since that makes it sq. But it is known by all of us outside of the intellect (most of what we go though is outside of thought, only a little bit is converted to sq). Again, dividing DQ relegates it to sq, but it is continuously being divided by us outside of the intellect, for that is how we survive, the brain comes afterward to justify how we survive. And yes, it is definable, that is all that we do in this forum, create circular tautologies: DQ is that which forms sq; DQ is reality; DQ is dynamic; DQ is that which is Quality but not sq; DQ creates the appearance that sq is ever-changing, conditionally codependent and impermanent, etc. DQ give the appearance of predictablility in sq when subjected to the patterns created by the intellect. That is just circular referencing. In the end, all sq that we discuss is created by man, it does not exist outside of our minds. It is like making constellations out of the stars. Now those constellations are very real for us until we realize that we are just making them up. This is no different from everything else. This of course does not minimize sq, in fact it makes it Grand, Special, and the Greatest attribute of Man. It results in music, poetry, and, yes, Metaphysics. It is the complex glue that binds us humans together as a single organism. What more can we ask for? All else is simply delusion. If we look for DQ we loose it, a finger cannot point to itself, a motorcycle cannot ride itself. If we do not look for DQ we know that it is there. We create SQ, DQ creates us, both together form Quality. At least it is simple for me. I like simple for a simple brain. Cheers, Mark On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:54 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For me… > > Dynamic Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. > > Static patterns of value are processes: ever-changing, conditionally > co-dependent and impermanent. (Not independent objects, subjects or > things-in-themselves.) Ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to > persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. > > > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:37 AM, MarshaV wrote: > >> >> H Mark, >> >> I suppose I am picking nits in a way that matters to no one else, but I need >> to drop both causality and connectedness which seem both to require some >> intrinsic nature. At the moment I like better 'conditionally co-dependent'. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 12:15 PM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> >>> Simply causal? I still could wonder how anything that lacks intrinsic >>> nature could possibly causally connect? What kind of connection would that >>> be? MMK - Chapter One kind of question... >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, 118 wrote: >>> >>>> This is simply a causal connection. As such it goes from undifferentiated >>>> (Quality) to highly differentiated (language). Please note that language >>>> results in perceived Quality. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course, I could wonder how anything that lacks intrinsic nature could >>>>> possibly connect? What kind of connection would that be? (I can hear my >>>>> mother's words: "Marsha, you think too much!") Undifferentiated, and >>>>> non-rational, and free from assimilation, discrimination, analysis and >>>>> synthesis? Or seeing without anything seen? >>>>> >>>>> Boggles the thinking mind... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:56 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>> >>>>>> Interconnected? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, 118 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a way to make this, understandable. Language results from >>>>>>> thinking, thinking results from awareness, awareness results from >>>>>>> dualism, dualism results from quality, quality results from Quality, >>>>>>> Quality results from language. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >> >> >> >> ___ > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
