Marsha Got to keep short this iPhone is challenging while treadmilling. Think about this: everything outside is represented in our heads. Thus all we "see" is construct. About the only thing that is not, is the Self. We cannot construct such a thing, it just is. Some would say this makes it an illusion; I would say it is the only "real" thing we can directly know.
Many modern day Buddhist are either misguided, or have not put enough thinking in, IMHO. The Self as presented through the Social Level (me, you, us. Them) is indeed construct. Perhaps Miri has her levels confused. Most likely she does not know the advances MoQ has made in its analogies. Mark On Aug 25, 2011, at 3:41 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark, > > Ms. Albahari has not mentioned Emptiness either. Her project is > to present an intellectual case that while the "sense of self" is real > enough, the "self' is a construct and therefore is an illusion. > > > Marsha > > > p.s. I'm going to be away for a few days. > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 7:10 PM, 118 wrote: > >> Marsha, >> The self is independent of the physical world, but not independent of DQ. >> >> Miri is way behind MoQ. Perhaps you should set her straight. >> >> Mark >> >> On Aug 24, 2011, at 2:39 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "So if the self lacks realty, it is probably due to its boundedness. >>> Boundedness is that aspect by which a subject's awareness presents itself >>> as part and parcel of an _ontologically unique_ subject with personalised >>> boundaries that separate a _me_, viz., a self, from the rest of the world. >>> It was argued in Chapter 4 that our _sense_ of being a bounded entity, >>> viz., the subject's sense of being _awareness-as-bounded_, is most closely >>> tied up with the role 'personal owner' --- a role that must be assumed >>> before one can identify as a thinker of thoughts or agent of action." >>> >>> (Albahari, Miri, 'Analytical Buddhism: The Two-tiered Illusion of Self ' >>> p.170) >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> This construction of an illusory autonomous self that is independent of the >>> "rest of the world" seems like second nature, while the actual unbounded >>> witnessing, whether attentive witnessing or inattentive witnessing, is more >>> probably the nexus of the quality event. It's interesting to speculate >>> that the witnessing, when attended to, is the "the cutting edge of >>> reality". Mindfulness seems to be the skill to develop a keener >>> attentive-witnessing ability. I guess... >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
