Greetings Dmb,  


On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:14 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> "...and most of the troubles are caused by what old time radio men called a 
> 'short between the earphones,' failures to use the head properly. A 
> motorcycle functions entirely in accordance with the laws of reason, and a 
> study of the art of motorcycle maintenance is really a miniature study of the 
> art of rationality itself. ...to get into that it's vital to stay with 
> down-to-earth examples of rationality, so as not to get lost in generalities 
> no one else can understand. Talk about rationality can get very confusing 
> unless the things with which rationality deals are also included.  ...  In a 
> motorcycle this precision isn't maintained for any romantic or perfectionist 
> reasons. It's simply that the enormous forces of heat and explosive pressure 
> inside the engine can only be controlled through the kind of precision these 
> instruments give." (ZAMM, 98-9)
> 
> "Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without them."  
> (Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, 214.)

And so you wrote:

>> dmb says:
>> Another good point. Pirsig's rejection of the Cartesian self certainly 
>> doesn't mean the MOQ rejects any conception of the self.  The MOQ's self 
>> includes the body as well as the mind. 


And so I ask:
Is this your definition/understanding of self within the MoQ?   



Marsha  







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