Hi Mark,

I don't know how you use rhetoric. PHONEY is not a proper adjective
describing SQ and its relationship to DQ.  DefinableSQ/IndefinableDQ does
equate to PHONEY/REAL in the defined usage for those terms when PHONEY is
used analogously, REAL is used as defined.   FALSE/TRUE.
The indefinable can be true, the definable can be used falsely.  Your
metaphysics is showing!  ANALOGOUS/LITERAL.

Joe


On 9/7/11 11:33 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote:

> When we start talking about REAL, it can lead nowhere.  Pirsig
> separates Quality into DQ and sq, which is REAL and PHONEY
> respectably.  This is of course an artificial "imaginary" separation,
> and is simply used for the purposes of exposition (one of the tools of
> rhetoric).


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