Hi dmb, On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 6:03 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Okay MOQers, take a look at what sort of conversation I've been having with > Steve... > > dmb said:...Free will is just another way to say that you could have acted > differently. Free will is, as my dictionary puts it, "the ability to act > one's own discretion". As I have already said many times, that is all I mean > by free will. ... > > > Steve said to dmb: > ... you insist on a "something extra," as I keep trying to point out to you. > You seem to believe that not only must we be free to choose what we want, we > must be free to want what we want. But that leads to the sort of regress... > > > dmb says: > Please notice that Steve has characterized my position as exactly the > opposite of what I plainly and explicitly said. If anyone knows how to > communicate effectively with someone like that, please step up and show me > how because I don't see how it can be done.
Steve: Is this your way of saying that you've changed your mind, and you now see Parfit as having given sufficient support for moral responsibility? Before you were saying something very different. You now see "I could have acted differently if I had wanted to" as free will _even if_ "what I want" is causally determined? That still counts as free will in your book? If some says, "I am free to choose whatever I want, but what I want is causally determined," that counts as free will to you? Are you sure there is no "something extra" that you need to add to "the ability to do you you want" to count as sufficient for free will in your view? No "something extra" you insist on adding??? Ok, then what was all that business about "value determinism"? Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
