Hi Arlo,

> Arlo said to Dan:
I'd say that seeing "free will" as some existential "out there" thing
that floats around and controls experience is certainly an illusion.
But the concept of "free will" is an intellectual pattern of value, a
way we explain and make sense of our experience.

Steve:
I agree, but I wonder if you'd agree with me that in your second way
of understanding free will as a useful or not useful concept, it no
longer makes much sense to wonder if we _have_ it. Once we reject the
first sense of an existential free will, what is left to debate in the
old free will-determinism controversy? What could it mean for, say,
dmb to insist that he "has free will" in this second sense of the term
"free will"?

Best,
Steve
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