On Sep 24, 2011, at 3:09 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> Mark said to Ham:
> When some do not have any idea how to refute an argument, they will attack 
> you personally.  Has happened to me until they learned not to debate me. 
> Happens to Marsha, John, and others who are serious about progressing MoQ.
> 
> 
> dmb says:
> That's hilarious. Reminds me of the UFOlogists who condemn the scientific 
> community for being skeptical about their scientifically impossible claims. 
> In both cases, we have ridiculous, delusional, self-aggrandizing claims that 
> don't address any of the actual criticism. Like the conspiracy theorist, the 
> lack of evidence is only taken as proof of the conspiracy's effectiveness. Or 
> the bible-thumper who takes your disagreement as proof that the devil's got a 
> hold of you. There is no point in talking to such people, but it certainly 
> isn't because their arguments are irrefutable. Quite the opposite. It's 
> because they are apparently oblivious to the fact that their arguments are 
> completely worthless.
> 
> Marsha is pushing vacuous nihilism where there should be nothing but values 
> and morals.

Hi Dave, 

This is a statement without explanation, examples or any kind of justification, 
and it is just plain wrong to suggest that I reject value.  Quality is Value.   


Marsha 







> John is pushing old-school theism where there should be non-theistic 
> philosophical mysticism. Ham is pushing the metaphysical framework (SOM) 
> where there should be a philosophy that begins by rejecting that framework. I 
> guess I can only speak for myself because other folks might have their own 
> reasons for ignoring them. As I see it, some people hang around here even 
> though they are basically incapable of having a real debate. I have tried, 
> believe me, but some people cannot be reasoned with. Some people prove this 
> over and over again. And that's how I learned not to debate them, by trying 
> to. Again, it's not because they were irrefutable but because they are 
> unreasonable and/or hopelessly lost. 
> 
> 
> 
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