dmb:
>And if it seems to be where we left it every time we care to check, then I
>think we have to move to a very unreasonable level of skepticism to have any
>serious doubts about it's existence.
Dan:
What the dog dish scenario serves to illustrate is whether or not the
world exists before we personally exist, and whether the world will
continue to exist when we pass back. Call me unreasonably skeptic...
but how do we know?
Ron:
Well, we can empirically verify and it is only reasonable
say that 21st century western culture exists therefore "I am" and I think here
is where the weak
point in this point of view exists. In addition, the "lone unattached expeince"
isnt really an idea
held to in Pirsigs MoQ therefore that skeptical doubt is leftover emotional
baggage from our
cultural assumptions of scientific objectivity I would suspect.
dmb:
> It simply isn't a problem.
Ron:
Well, if one takes to heart what Pirsig proposes about experience being divided
into four levels
it really should'nt be a problem, if they actually believe that we are an
ecology of patterns one
could'nt possibly deny that ecological history exists because it exists as
"being" it exists as the
human experience. Now, how much more empirical verification is required to say
one "is"?
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