Hello everyone On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > dmb: >>And if it seems to be where we left it every time we care to check, then I >>think we have to move to a very unreasonable level of skepticism to have any >>serious doubts about it's existence. > > Dan: > > What the dog dish scenario serves to illustrate is whether or not the > world exists before we personally exist, and whether the world will > continue to exist when we pass back. Call me unreasonably skeptic... > but how do we know? > > Ron: > Well, we can empirically verify and it is only reasonable > say that 21st century western culture exists therefore "I am" and I think > here is where the weak > point in this point of view exists.
Dan: I don't disagree... of course our culture exists. I fail to see the weak point... Ron: > In addition, the "lone unattached expeince" isnt really an idea > held to in Pirsigs MoQ therefore that skeptical doubt is leftover emotional > baggage from our > cultural assumptions of scientific objectivity I would suspect. Dan: Again, I fail to see where you're going with this... I see nothing written about a lone unattached experience... experience is always Dynamically attached and statically latched. Your argument that my skepticism is leftover baggage of scientific objectivity holds no water, Ron. In fact, I would say just the opposite. > > dmb: >> It simply isn't a problem. > > Ron: > Well, if one takes to heart what Pirsig proposes about experience being > divided into four levels > it really should'nt be a problem, if they actually believe that we are an > ecology of patterns one > could'nt possibly deny that ecological history exists because it exists as > "being" it exists as the > human experience. Now, how much more empirical verification is required to > say one "is"? Dan: Again, it isn't a matter of history existing... that is not what is in question. The question was if history existed before we came into existence. It is like asking if gravity existed before Newton discovered it. I think you might be misreading the discussion, or perhaps I am misreading your response... Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
