Hi Joe,
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi David, > > A logic of a metaphysics of DQ/SQ, begs the question: How can an > indefinable DQ have meaning? It doesn't, we create meaning through definitions. The term undefinable is used so we do not get stuck in the static. Nothing more in my opinion. > In SOM S depends on O activity in the definition in existence. S has no > definition in existence awaiting O's behavior. Yes they go together in that paradigm. > > Different activities determine a reality manifesting existence. Evolution, > a definable activity in existence, is not founded on deniable faith. It > manifests a logic of activity. Yes > > The truth of reality in logic for metaphysics is a nightmare of deniability. I'm not sure if I would agree. We create truth, we do not deny it. > The reality of evolutionary levels in differences for S's manifestations is > deniable. It awaits an interpretation of the manifestation in action. Sure it can be denied through some logical construct. What lies between subject and object is Intent. Look to intent instead of S or O. That resolved the issue, for me. > Evolution is deniable. No one can give what he doesn't have. Evolution as > the answer for levels in existence is deniable. Physical logic instead of > indefinable metaphysics! Sure it can be denied, but it can also bring meaning. > > Pirsig tweaked S/O metaphysics by changing indescribable S to DQ, an > indefinable reality. O as SQ remains. I think so, the "self" is DQ. It cannot be logically found or described, yet it exists. > > DQ, indefinable reality, has a relationship to existence. DQ is not the same > as the S of SOM which sucks existence from O. I think O sucks existence from S, although I would not put it that way. > DQ has a place in indefinable > existence awaiting valuation not non-existence. SOM and MOQ. DQ/SQ is a > statement of an indefinable/definable reality. > > A statement of metaphysics: the concept of evolution describes reality in > existential differences as evolution in levels in existence. DQ is > indefinable levels in existence. Indefinable not unknowable or non-existent! > > MOQ, Evolution is not a reality in SOM. S exists independently from O in > reality. DQ does not depend on SQ for existence. It creates a new paradigm > DQ/SQ where DQ is indefinable not non-existent, SQ is definable. Yes, by your usage of evolution. DQ does not depend on sq. > > Imho In MOQ different levels in reality in existence. Evolution has > meaning. > > SOM differs from MOQ in using Object as enabling possibilities in a Subject > without defining how the subject participates in evolution as a level in > existence. Yes > > In SOM freewill, seeks another for further definition in existence. Without > the other it is not free. It is orphaned in being removed from the > existence in the subject and highlighted as a special function in relation > to another instead of being the will of the subject. > That makes sense to me. Will is what lies between S and O. > In SOM, levels in evolution have no foundation in the existence of the > subject. They only have meaning in the object and have their meaningful > relationship to the subject through the object and evolution is meaningless. > Metaphysics of the known also follow the existence of the subject for unique > qualities like free will. I think this is the distinction between sq and DQ. The levels are a static presentation and DQ is not dependent on them. > > I don't define DQ! While pondering an indefinable existing reality emotions > shouted look at us! The best of both worlds. Cool, you should write poetry. Mark > > Joe > > > On 3/2/12 1:48 PM, "David Harding" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Furthermore, why do you see value in defining the undefinable DQ as >> 'emotions'? > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
