Hi Ron, Been thinking about 'hypothetical'. I have nothing against the terms 'conditional' and 'provincial', and I have quoted the Buddhist's reference to 'conventional (relative) truth' often enough, but they all seem so statically descriptive. I like 'hypothetical' because their is a hint of a participatory awareness associated with the term. By holding patterns of value as hypothetical there is _awareness_ of the incompleteness and vulnerability of such knowledge, whether it be in considering justice, money, dogs, trees , time or my relationship with my son or daughter, or you. I don't see it as a cold scientific term, but as an open-ended, intellectual way to more thoughtfully use consciousness. I have not been trying to force it upon anyone, merely present it. It may work for some and not for others, and I like the feedback because it forces me to think a little deeper or maybe find a better way to present it.
Marsha On Sep 20, 2012, at 9:22 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > If 'conditional' is better from your point-of-view, by all means use > 'conditional'. I prefer to think of static patterns of value as hypothetical > (supposed but not necessarily real or true.) Once one accepts the MoQ's > fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded > rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to > reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of > value to be hypothetical. By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a > tendency toward intellectual arrogance. Understanding static (patterned) > value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and > makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an > attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away from thinking of > entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness. > > Marsha > > > > On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:25 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> [Marsha] >> >> If I might offer my personal opinion. I have respect for static (patterned) >> value; static patterned value is my life. But, for me, holding patterns as >> hypothetical is honoring, above all, their fundamental DQ nature. It's not >> merely a theoretical opinion. >> >> >> [Ron] >> Well, that is a relief because the use of the term hypothetical kinda >> implies that they are merely hypothesis and are strictly theoretical. >> As I mentioned before, the term "conditional" seems to be more the aim of >> what you are attempting to get across in this regard, but hey >> I'm not trying to be nit-picky just trying to help gain some clarity in what >> you mean. >> >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mark had said] >>> OK, lets say that Truth as discussed from the Quality perspective, an >>> Quality as discussed from the Truth perspective are the same thing, as you >>> state. How about if we discuss Quality? Are you game for this. This is, >>> after all, MOQ. >>> >>> How would you present Quality to open the discussion, I have tried many >>> times. Don't give us this undefinable nonsense for the same can be said of >>> Truth. Let us discuss a metaphysics based on Quality. What does this mean >>> to you? >>> >>> [Ron replies] >>> Thats right Mark, it points to discussions regarding the subject matter of >>> Dynamic Quality. Definitions, descriptions and explanations >>> are provisional, they must be open to revision because the test of any >>> definition, description and explanation is the Dynamic flow of >>> experience. Now, to say all definition, description and explanation is >>> "hypothetical" is to only look at one side of the coin so to speak, >>> It ignores this provisional nature and the test of it's value, in fact it >>> ignores the very nature of value itself. >>> >>> A metaphysics based on Quality is the development of meaning in experience >>> it is the perpetual inquirey of what are the best things >>> in life. >>> >>> >>> .. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
