Hello everyone On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Dan: >> (static quality) is a memory of experience, not experience itself. > > Are you using 'memory' is the usual way?
Dan: Yes. > Or does a metal spring, for instance, have a memory > of its former shape? Dan: Well, you are talking about two different things here. A metal spring doesn't possess the same faculties as a human being. I suppose you could say it has inorganic memory but that isn't what I am talking about. > > "I believe there are number of philosophic systems, notably Ayn Rand’s > “Objectivism,” that call the “I” or “individual” the central reality." - LC > > I don't know who in LC said this but it is confused. Dan: Robert Pirsig said it. > For Objectivists, the I is not the "central reality". > For them the I is the center of value & morality, but unlike the MoQ, they do > not hold that everything is value. Dan: He said nothing about value. He said the central reality of Ayn Rand's philosophy is the individual. From The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand: "Just as man cannot survive by any random means, but must discover and practice the principles which his survival requires, so man’s self-interest cannot be determined by blind desires or random whims, but must be discovered and achieved by the guidance of rational principles. This is why the Objectivist ethics is a morality of rational self-interest—or of rational selfishness." > > Dan: >> So you believe there are blue objects in the world and everyone sees >> these blue objects as the same. This is contradictory to what the MOQ >> says about us being immersed in culture. > > So, is your point that there are blue objects in the world and everyone in > the same culture sees > these blue objects as the same? Dan: No, that isn't my point. > > Dan: >> There is nothing wrong with saying the city of Los Angeles experiences >> an earthquake. We use the term experience in various ways. But when it >> comes to the MOQ we should strive to be as precise as possible. > > So are you saying that when the city of Los Angeles experiences > an earthquake, it doesn't do so in the precise MoQ sense? Dan: The term 'but' acts to negate the previous sentence. Does that help? > If so, why? Dan: The city of Los Angeles isn't a sentient being and so cannot respond to Dynamic Quality as per the MOQ. Folk who are unaware of the MOQ get by just fine using the term 'experience' in that manner. Thank you, Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
