Hello everyone On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Dan: >> There is nothing wrong with saying the city of Los Angeles experiences >> an earthquake. We use the term experience in various ways. But when it >> comes to the MOQ we should strive to be as precise as possible. > > Craig [previously]: >> So are you saying that when the city of Los Angeles experiences >> an earthquake, it doesn't do so in the precise MoQ sense? > > Dan: >> The term 'but' acts to negate the previous sentence. > > So you're denying that previous sentence--you're denying that "We use the > term 'experience' in various ways".
No, Craig. I said the term 'but' negates the previous sentence. In other words, since we are (supposed to be) talking about the MOQ, we should strive to be as precise as possible, unlike our everyday language habits. > > Dan: >> The city of Los Angeles isn't a sentient being and so cannot respond to >> Dynamic Quality as per the MOQ. > > Do you have any support for the view that anything other than "a sentient > being...cannot respond > to Dynamic Quality as per the MOQ"? Dan: Well, yes. Check out Lila. Only a living being can respond to Dynamic Quality. You'll have to find the quote yourself though. In fact, you might even want to try reading the book. > > Dan: >> (static quality) is a memory of experience, not experience itself. > > So let's take the moon as an example of static quality. You're saying the > moon is a memory of experience > in a sentient being and Apollo 11 landed on a memory. So the moon couldn't > exist before sentient beings. > This will astonish scientists, but give comfort to creationists who agree > with you that the earth is only > 6,000 years old. Dan: What we have here... is a failure to communicate. > > Dan: >> [Pirsig] said the central reality of Ayn Rand's >> philosophy is the individual. > "Just as man cannot survive by any random means, but must discover and > practice the principles which his survival requires, so man’s > self-interest cannot be determined by blind desires or random whims, > but must be discovered and achieved by the guidance of rational > principles. This is why the Objectivist ethics is a morality of > rational self-interest—or of rational selfishness." > [The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand] > > That's a nice quote, relevant to Rand's view of morality, but not to her > view of what is central to reality. Dan: Yes? Yes? I am waiting, Craig. Oh, never mind... > > Craig [previously]: >> is your point that there are blue objects in the world and everyone in the >> same culture sees >> these blue objects as the same? > > Dan: >> No, that isn't my point. > > But you do believe it. Dan: You asked if that was my point. No, it wasn't my point. Now, you suddenly know what I believe. Boy, this is such an interesting discussion I hate to end it. Not. Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
