Hi MarshaV and All, I do not know what you mean by indeterminate? Indefinable, definable, noun, adjective, adverb etc? I agree that a theory of knowledge by abstraction like SOM is not logical.
Direct experience, DQ, requires that I tweak my theory of knowledge to the acceptance of definable/indefinable reality existing in consciousness. IMHO indefinable is a negation of accepted existence in SOM. MOQ accepts DQ/SQ so I tweak psychology and suggest that indefinable DQ exists in the individuality of a self-conscious individual. And away we go! Joe On 4/2/13 12:07 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Joe, > > DQ > is > indeterminate. > IMHO. > > Marsha > > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >> The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the >> theory of knowledge. The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot >> logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ. >> >> The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is >> indefensible. Knowledge is direct experience. >> >> How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition? >> Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ. DQ is indefinable >> direct experience. SQ is definable direct experience. >> >> The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ. The structure for experience is >> DQ/SQ. What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality? DQ is >> indefinable, SQ is definable. >> >> Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable >> reality, can be somewhat vague. >> >> DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution! >> It can stand alone, indefinable reality. DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of >> knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in >> direct experience. >> >> IMHO Joe >> >> >> On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing >>> (nothing >>> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> snip... >>>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
