Hello Joe My horse knows most of the tracks around here. I experience in several ways that she recognizes every opportunity to take a turn here and there. But she can't exchange that knowledge by other means than direct action where my or her authority decides what's the best way to go. I win every time.
To have concepts in your mind is having aquired patterns corresponding to the surroundings. That should be first level concepts or knowledge at a primary level. Social structures are bound by means for communication where first level concepts are exchanged by language. This language must be standardized to fit most of the members of the group. That makes it knowledge at a higher level, above the first because at this level the individual mind is exchangeable. Now, some smart person gets conscious about that he is using standardized words for patterned concepts. This makes his entrance into a third level of knowledge, the knowledge about konowledge itself. This can be quite scary for some people which instead of getting it right, start to act from fear and do very stupid things like drinking too much alcohol and starting anti-intellectual organisations. But the smart people don't vote for these guys but rather take a subscription on MD. A concept is kind of a picture of something the mind is experiencing. A concept of the 2nd level is a standardized picture which works like a symbol or a word for communication purposes. Now we are coming to your question about knowledge, how can we make a picture of a picture? A concept about our concept? A static pattern of static pattern? It is possible to make this experiment: Take a videocamera connected to a monitor that shows what the camera is aimed at. Now aim the camera to the monitor so the monitor shows itself. The result will be an infinite electronic loop that ends into an empty void. This will be fun and interesting for about fifteen minutes. The same experiment is possible to perform by standing between a pair of mirrors. The only reasonable use of third level concepts is when we want to look at our concepts to make them better, e g increase our own quality patterns. Some people call this pure existential self conduct. 12 apr 2013 kl. 20:12 skrev Joseph Maurer comcast.net>: > Hi Ant and All, > > My focus has been on the question: What does it mean to "know things"? When > I studied SOM "Abstraction" was the pivotal term. > > Pirsig sees DQ/SQ as a metaphysical reality for knowledge, direct > experience. Indefinable/definable covers all experience and I try to > conceptualize the theory of knowledge including the indefinable. > > I accept that consciousness can accept definable/indefinable reality as a > concept in being, MOQ! > > A theory of knowledge DQ/SQ embraces consciousness as differing from the > instinct of animals. When sleep is used to describe both > conscious/instinctive inactivity questions are raised requiring metaphysical > explanations like DQ for configuring reality in consciousness. IMHO! > > Joe > > > > > On 4/11/13 6:17 PM, "Ant McWatt" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 'The definition for "absolute" in the dictionary: "The ultimate basis of all >> thought, reasoning, or being".' >> >> TO CONCLUDING: >> >> " This can be realized in MOQ since DQ is indefinable." > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
