only as an aside. apparently some retard made a twitter account for Chris and Robert, and makes them talk in tweets,at least until december. The picture's seem to be stolen from Gurr's website. https://twitter.com/RobPirsig
strange Adrie 2013/4/17 david buchanan <[email protected]> > > Adrie said: > Have to agree with Dr. McWatt. Thatcher was a psychopath they really > should fill her grave with concrete, to avoid any ressurection. > > > Marsha said: > Whoa... What kind of self does the MoQ attribute to Ms. Thatcher? Does > she have an evil homunculus that behind the scenes called the shots for > devastating Great Britain? > > > dmb says: > What? Thatcher's lack of empathy can't be criticized because she was not a > Cartesian homunculus? Are you on acid right now, or what? That's the > weakest, lamest defense I ever heard. It's not even relevant and think what > would happen if we applied your "reasoning" to every political actor. > > It's about the age-old complaint against the rich and powerful. You don't > have to take my word for it, just ask Charles Dickens. Or Robert Pirsig... > > > "...the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of free > enterprise are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They are > just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-oldexploitation of > the poor." > > In the MOQ, 20th century political conflict is portrayed as a conflict > between social and intellectual values - with the right-left clash being > more severe in Europe than in the USA. > > > "The gigantic power of socialism and fascism, which have overwhelmed this > century, is explained by a conflict of levels of evolution. This conflict > explains the driving force behind Hitler not as an insane search for power > but as an all-consuming glorification of social authority and hatred of > intellectualism. His anti-Semitism was fueled by anti-intellectualism. His > hatred of communists was fueled by anti-intellectualism. His exaltation of > the German volk was fueled by it. His fanatic persecution of any kind of > intellectual freedom was driven by it. In the United States the economic > and social upheaval was not so great as in Europe, but Franklin Roosevelt > and the New Deal, nevertheless, became the center of a lesser storm between > social and intellectual forces." > > > > Thatcher and Reagan both represent a rightward turn against "big > government", as Reagan called it. This was aimed against the whole > tradition of New Deal liberalism. (It's a bit confusing but this > neo-Victorian reaction is known as free-market conservatism or right-wing > libertarianism while in England it's known as neo-liberalism.) In both > cases, the dismantling of "the welfare state" entailed not only drastic > financial cuts to the poor but also a rather cruel demonization of the > recipients. Way back in 1980 when Reagan first ran for President, they > campaigned against the so-called "Welfare Queens," the mythical figure who > lived in luxury from her welfare checks and in the most recent Presidential > election the Republican candidate was still campaigning against these same > mythical "takers". > > Psychopathy is a broad range of mental disorders wherein the "afflicted" > lacks empathy. This lack ranges from mild narcissism to full-blown serial > killers. The only place with a higher rate of psychopathy than politics and > big business is prison. It could be literally true that Maggie was > somewhere along that psychopathic continuum but I think that's not really > the point. It's just a way to criticize her willingness to inflict > suffering on the citizens of the UK. The statistic show the actual effects > of these market policies, which have been operable for about three decades > now. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the middle class got > smaller. Only one nation in the West has more of its children living in > poverty. Heckofajob, Ronny. Thanks, Maggie. > > "...the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of free > enterprise are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They are > just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-oldexploitation of > the poor." > > > "That’s what neither the socialists nor the capitalists ever got figured > out. From a static point of view, socialism is more moral than capitalism. > It’s a higher form of evolution. It is an intellectually guided society, > not just a society that is guided by mindless traditions. That’s what gives > socialism its drive. But what the socialists left out and what has all but > killed their whole undertaking is an absence of a concept of indefinite > Dynamic Quality. You go to any socialist city and it’s always a dull > placebecause there’s little Dynamic Quality. > On the other hand the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues > of free enterprise are normally just supporting their own self-interest. > They are just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old > exploitation of the poor. Some of them seem to sense there is also > something mysteriously virtuous in a free enterprise system and you can see > them struggling to put it into words but they don’t have the metaphysical > vocabulary for it any more than the socialists do. > The metaphysics of Quality provides the vocabulary. A free market is a > Dynamic institution. What people buy and what people sell, in other words > what people value, can never be contained by any intellectual formula. What > makes the marketplace work is Dynamic Quality. The market is alwayschanging > and the direction of that change can never be predetermined. The > Metaphysics of Quality says the free market makes everybody richer by > preventing static economic patterns for setting in and stagnating economic > growth. That is the reason major capitalist economies of the world have > done so much better since World War II that the major socialist economies. > It is not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral than > socialist intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite. They are less > moral as static patterns go. What makes the free-enterprise system superior > is that the socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, > haveinadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and > selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure of > their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." 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