maybe the term reification on itself an the use is (som)times to radical in losing its own nuances and detailling.reification as abstraction in disguise is nothing more than reverse-engineering some wrong a-proiri's to straighten them out. Adrie greetzz.
2013/4/19 X <[email protected]> > Adding that Bob and Jimmy are talkin bout the distinction > while Freds talkin reification. > > > X <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Interesting post Craig, > >Where Bob states simply that the discrepancy has value, Fred seems to cast > >a rather dour atmosphere in regards to the rendering of one from the many > and > >doesent really seem to value the disecrepancy as much as reacting to the > monistic > >dominance of values of his day. I see Bob employing the descrepancy in a > useful > >manner while Freds more of a deconstructionist. > > > >-Ron > > > > > > > >Craig Erb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>"There must always be a discrepancy between concepts [static quality] > and reality [Dynamic Quality] -- Robert Pirsig > >> > >>"Every word instantly becomes a concept precisely insofar as it is not > supposed to serve as a reminder of the unique and entirely individual > original experience to which it owes its origin; but rather, a word becomes > a concept insofar as it simultaneously has to fit countless more or less > similar cases—which means, purely and simply, cases which are never equal > and thus altogether unequal. Every concept arises from the equation of > unequal things. Just as it is certain that one leaf is never totally the > same as another, so it is certain that the concept "leaf" is formed by > arbitrarily discarding these individual differences and by forgetting the > distinguishing aspects. This awakens the idea that, in addition to the > leaves, there exists in nature the "leaf": the original model according to > which all the leaves were perhaps woven, sketched, measured, colored, > curled, and painted—but by incompetent hands, so that no specimen has > turned out to be a > >> correct, trustworthy, and faithful likeness of the original model." > >> — Friedrich Nietzsche > >> > >>Compare and discuss ----Craig > >>dmb > >> > >>I contrast. > >>Pirsig is comparing the pre-conceptual with the post-conceptual. > >>Nietzsche is comparing the concept with one of its instantiations (both > post-conceptual). > >>Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>Archives: > >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
