Hello everyone On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:35 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]>wrote:
> Snip , Dan. > I agree these are a couple of great quotes. Here Robert Pirsig seems to be > saying that yes, he (like anyone else who manipulates symbolic English > language representing reality) uses subject/object reasoning to explicate > the MOQ and yet that doesn't necessarily mean we as readers should stop > there, as Platt and Bo have done > > --------------------------------------------------- > (Adrie) > Hi Dan, long time no see. > Hi Adrie! Indeed! Good to see you posting again, old friend! > > I think there is nothing wrong with subject/object reasoning,there is > something terrably wrong with subject/object metaphysiks. > Dan: Yes, I tend to agree with this. Our language (or should I say the English language) is anchored in the subject/object reasoning what with the 'I's' and the 'me's' and the 'you's' that abound and it seems rather a silly endeavor to attempt to disavow that. > very strange,people are trying to restrict reality to only and exclusively > to be understood as subject/object only related. > Dan: Right. Very frustrating as well. > > facts derived from value's > value's derived from facts > expierence comes first > expierience creates reality > etc, al these statements are denoting a realityspectrum that goes far above > the subject/object theme solely. > > expierience "is" reality seems to connote that participating is creating.we > left our role as pure observer. > maintaining all this in a subject/object environment only would restrict > the debate into an experiment labeled 'simplicity' > Dan: That's my thinking as well. We create reality, not the other way around. And those who fight against this notion are so convinced they are independent observers of a separate reality it is impossible to reason with them. They throw up a whole host of reasons why this cannot possibly be so. Thanks again for writing, Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
