Hi Dan

Dan:
That's my thinking as well. We create reality, not the other way around.
And those who fight against this notion are so convinced they are
independent observers of a separate reality it is impossible to reason with
them. They throw up a whole host of reasons why this cannot possibly be so.

Personally I would avoid saying we create reality, rather I'd say that the only reality we directly know is experienced reality. But where does this leave the idea of what reality might transcend our individual experience, or general human experience, or the reality that we assume existed prior to human beings or life on Earth. I know what status I give it, it is best approached via science, that creates theories and ideas that go beyond direct experience (by using equipment for example). Now problematically science takes this approach based on SO-Metaphysical thinking. I think science can be re-conceptualised using MOQ, but In do not think however that this removes the need to see scientific theories and ideas as about an independent reality that goes on with its processes with or without human experience 'creating' it. Obviously you could respond that quantum theory does seem to suggest such a requirement, but this is controversial and I think misses the point about scientific theories in general, many if which are not based on QT, and the subjective observer-interpretation of QT makes no sense without SOM, and is really just a way of finding a way to avoid the uncertainty at the heart of the collapse of the wave function, and perhaps says more about DQ than it does about the relationship between experience and
reality (ie suggesting that no processes take place without observation).

Again, I do agree that without experience there is no reality, but through experience and via science we can go on to create an understanding and ideas that allow us to make sense of a universe that is greater (transcends) what we can fully and directly experience and has and will exist before and after the lives of all human beings and our species (so rejecting the anthropocentrism that DMB embraces). To my mind a reconceptualised science in MOQ terms can handle such a non-anthropocentric reality, and MOQ can also help science to cast off the dualistic SOM conceptual problems that currently hinder it making progress in areas of dynamic openness and chaos theory and dynamic and open conscious processes.

Regards
David M

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