David,
Here's one Steve Hagen might appreciate:
Shuzan (926-992 A.D.) once held up his bamboo stick to an assembly of his
disciples and declared: "Call this a stick and you assert. Call this not a
stick and you negate. Now do not assert or negate, and what would you call it?
Speak! Speak!" One of his disciples came out of the ranks, took the stick
away from the master and breaking it in two, explained, "What is this?"
(Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, 'An Introduction To Zen Buddhism')
Marsha
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