Well put Marsha, I still cant believe after all these years we're still arguing about those well used phrases "killing all intellectual patterns" and "moon vs finger pointing at the moon", "map vs terrain" etc.
I agree (as I've said many times) all these anti-intellectual accusations are simply straw men by those who are not prepared to engage in actual discussion. Sad as Khoo says that this needs to be a eureka moment after all this time, but let's hope it is. Ian On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:25 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > dmb, > > Setting up David (djh), or anyone, who has a different point-of-view from > yours, by calling them anti-intellectual, and then arguing against RMP or > the MoQ being anti-intellectual is a straw dog argument. Your argument is > a logical fallacy because it misrepresents other's position. What is BIG > is RMP's suggesting that morality can be served by disregarding ("killing") > intellectual patterns, not by distorting what others have to say. The > words are RMP's; don't blame the messenger. > > RMP actually does talk about Dynamic Quality, as enlightenment, when he > suggests that it's an universal experience available to all cultures. It > is the West's over involvement with intellectual patterns that prevents > having this experience. He says 'follow Dynamic Quality and morality will > be served.' And the truth, RMP says, that the good is subordinated to is > BOTH "intellectual and Dynamic Quality" - it is nothing special. > > Even the quotes you offer do not support a static truth, but show a strong > preference to dynamic experience: > > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of > reality, the source of all things, completely simple and > always new. ...It's only perceived good is freedom and > its only perceived evil is static quality itself - any pattern > of one-sided fixed values that tries to contain and kill the > ongoing free force of life." > > Notice: "only perceived evil is static quality itself". Dmb, it's about > the moon, the experience, not the finger pointing to it, and certainly not > about the concepts pointing in the opposite direction. > > > Marsha > > > > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 2:13 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's the truth... How does RMP state morality can best be served: > > > RMP writes: > > While sustaining biological and social patterns > Kill all intellectual patterns. > Kill them completely > And then follow Dynamic Quality > And morality will be served. > > ... > > "When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of > enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did > it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time > he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental > religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that > Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he > saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the > color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures > accept it and others screen out recognition of it." > > (LILA, Chapter 32) > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
