Greetings, Perhaps if one is a *sensitive* intellectual, killing might better be understood as cessation, and not annihilation.
Marsha On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:38 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > djh said to Arlo: > > ...But my point is a motorcycle mechanic isn't going to be a very good > mechanic if he is continually judging the quality of these patterns and not > trying to work through mastering them. This mastery is not achieved by simply > focusing on the quality of this or that static pattern but through the > perfection and thus killing of them. > > > ...Heck, this place is nothing but a bunch of Zen Koans and we are putting > these 'case histories' to sleep by continually going over them and getting > our thinking on them perfect.. > > > ...I think that in order to build we must kill patterns.. We are here to > kill intellectual patterns. That is, we are here to master them which such > proficiency that they are gone. There in the most monotonous boredom of > going over and over these questions the DQ and resulting new insights can be > found.. Each of these is like a koan which we we go over and over again and > as we go over them our thinking on them becomes more and more coherent > until.. > > > > dmb says: > Well, that's the problem. I do not see anything coherent about this > anti-intellectualism. Quite the opposite. > > Mastery and perfection means killing. To build, we must kill. C'mon, be > serious. > > Static pattens are necessary but they are not enough. This is the point. You > gotta have both. > > > "The difference between a good mechanic and a bad one, like the difference > between a good mathematician and a bad one, is precisely this ability to > select the good facts from the bad ones on the basis of quality. He has to > care!" > > > "Value, the leading edge of reality, is no longer an irrelevant offshoot of > structure. Value is the predecessor of structure. It's the preintellectual > awareness that gives rise to it. Our structured reality is preselected on the > basis of value, and really to understand structured reality requires an > understanding of the value source from which it's derived. > One's rational understanding of a motorcycle is therefore modified from > minute to minute as one works on it and sees that a new and different > rational understanding has more Quality. One doesn't cling to old sticky > ideas because one has an immediate rational basis for rejecting them. Reality > isn't static anymore. It's not a set of ideas you have to either fight or > resign yourself to. It's made up, in part, of ideas that are expected to grow > as you grow, and as we all grow, century after century. With Quality as a > central undefined terms, reality is, in its essential nature, not static but > dynamic. And when you really understand dynamic reality you never get stuck. > It has forms but the forms are capable of change. > To put it in more concrete terms: If you want to build a factory, or fix a > motorcycle, or set a nation right without getting stuck, then classical, > structured, dualistic subject-object knowledge, although necessary, isn't > enough. You have to have a sense of what's good. That is what carries you > forward. This sense isn't just something you're born with, although you are > born with it. It's also something you can develop. It's not just "intuition", > not just unexplainable "skill" or "talent". It's the direct result of contact > with basic reality, Quality, which dualistic reason has in the past tended to > conceal." > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
