> [Ant] > David, I rather like the phrase “pretend” here > though “Context 2 of the MOQ” (to use Paul’s terminology) is a little more > than > just pretending! If I’m having critical surgery, I don’t want the surgeons > just > to be pretending; I want them to be – at the very least – assuming that their > surgical procedures will work in practice i.e. that the surgeon/s will have > previous assumptions (or postulations) that have been previously seen to work. > > > [Ant also later] > David, I think you need both the Two Contexts that > Paul was talking about to fully understand and to fully apply the MOQ. The > same goes for Buddhism or any other > philosophy that uses Tetralemmic logic. > > If you confine yourself to Context 1 then you going > to be paralysed into no-action or some sort of relativism where the static > patterns are considered to have equal value/no-value; if you confine yourself > just to Context 2, then you’re going to start making the error that the MOQ > is stating > something absolute about the world. The > MOQ is just a “working postulation” and I think this what the Two Contexts is > designed to help illustrate.
[djh] Ant - It is a good idea when talking with folks to change your words and even your perspective to explain things to them. Despite her claims to the contrary - Marsha fails to see the value of assuming things exist before we experience them as we do in the second context. Marsha is well and truly stuck in the first context. My previous post was 'confined' to the first context because I'm talking with Marsha. If you talk with Marsha from the second context [as dmb does] then you're not going to get anywhere because she will continually call it all an illusion or 'just ideas' or something like that. Dmb and Marsha play a game of name calling from either perspective. The only way you can show Marsha the second context is by speaking from her perspective - the first context - and pointing to the alternative context which is often times opposed to the value she sees in the first context. There is a oldness and staleness and a smell to the second context which Marsha doesn't like. But that's true only if we look at it from the first context. There is an entirely different value to this second context irrespective of the fact that it might be something different from the other perspective. And the only way you can show someone like Marsha that is not by pointing out logical inconsistencies in her words because she's not interested in that. But by speaking to what she values - the first context - and showing her that there is another perspective. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
