Ho Horse, I didn't say you had, I agreed effectively "it had become" taboo.
Discussion of the intellectual level does involve discussing S/O and related intellect ideas - unavoidable. (As I've said before at root, Bo actually had a point - he just didn't necessarily have the right solution or argument to achieve any agreement. For a while I gave him the benefit of the doubt with English as his second language, but eventually, like you I had to agree he wouldn't or couldn't actually listen to reasonable arguments.) The real irony is that those who "defend" intellectual quality do "seem" to do it from a SOMist intellectual perspective - which is making discussion of alternatives incredibly fractious. But I'm not a quitter. Hence this thread. Ian On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hang on a second - at no point have I said that debating the Intellectual > level is taboo. I have never said anything like that - EVER! > > What I have said is that the ridiculous idea that the Intellectual level is > the S/O level, as per Bo's nonsense, is not something that needs any further > discussion - so drop it! > We've been over this idea, ad nauseam, for years and as far as I'm concerned > it's a blind alley (and total shite) and I don't want any more time and > bandwidth wasted on it. It's very simple. > > Discussion of the Intellectual level, as per Pirsig, is an entirely > legitimate and reasonable topic of discussion for MD. > Are there really people on this list who are too stupid to understand the > difference or is it just, as I suspect, another means of skirting around > issues that those that don't see the difference (i.e. really are that > stupid) use to justify their own stupidity. Using this nonsense as an > evasive tactic is dishonest and intellectual cowardice. > > I'll put it very clearly: > > Discussion of Intellectual level as per Robert Pirsig's ideas and writing is > OK. > Discussion of Bo's Intellect = S/O and related ideas is NOT OK > > Is this simple enough for everyone? > > Horse > > > > > On 15/08/2013 10:53, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >> Arlo, OK, as Marsha says, the problem we're having is that debating >> the intellectual level has become taboo, and turned into an excuse to >> trade personal insults. Let's try and build from the following >> example: > > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
