Hi Horse (post 5 or so ?) OK. (I do disagree with your interpretation of what Marsha is trying to achieve, but that is not the point of this thread. I started afresh so we could discuss it.) But, let's stick to the point (of this thread). Ian
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > And this is the point I'm making. You said and agreed with: > > "... as Marsha says, the problem we're having is that debating the > intellectual level has become taboo ..." > > which is a complete red herring! There isn't and never has been a problem > with discussion of the Intellectual level on MD. It's when the Intellectual > level is equated with Bo's gibberish about the Intellect being the S/O level > nonsense (which Marsha has been shown to agree with in her own words) that > it becomes a problem. > So it's entirely bogus to suggest that discussing the Intellectual level has > become taboo. Marsha is currently using this line to avoid entering into > debate. She has done this several times in the past as a means of deflecting > criticism and has been pulled up each time but still continues to churn out > the same nonsense. > > SOM, as a metaphysical system, exists at the Intellectual level and is > encompassed by Intellect so, again there is no problem with SOM or the S/O > divide etc. etc. being discussed. This is all spurious nonsense that Marsha > is aware of but insists on repeating, time and time again, in order to avoid > any meaningful dialogue. > > > Horse > > > > > On 15/08/2013 11:41, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >> Ho Horse, I didn't say you had, I agreed effectively "it had become" >> taboo. >> >> Discussion of the intellectual level does involve discussing S/O and >> related intellect ideas - unavoidable. (As I've said before at root, >> Bo actually had a point - he just didn't necessarily have the right >> solution or argument to achieve any agreement. For a while I gave him >> the benefit of the doubt with English as his second language, but >> eventually, like you I had to agree he wouldn't or couldn't actually >> listen to reasonable arguments.) >> >> The real irony is that those who "defend" intellectual quality do >> "seem" to do it from a SOMist intellectual perspective - which is >> making discussion of alternatives incredibly fractious. But I'm not a >> quitter. Hence this thread. >> >> Ian >> >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hang on a second - at no point have I said that debating the Intellectual >>> level is taboo. I have never said anything like that - EVER! >>> >>> What I have said is that the ridiculous idea that the Intellectual level >>> is >>> the S/O level, as per Bo's nonsense, is not something that needs any >>> further >>> discussion - so drop it! >>> We've been over this idea, ad nauseam, for years and as far as I'm >>> concerned >>> it's a blind alley (and total shite) and I don't want any more time and >>> bandwidth wasted on it. It's very simple. >>> >>> Discussion of the Intellectual level, as per Pirsig, is an entirely >>> legitimate and reasonable topic of discussion for MD. >>> Are there really people on this list who are too stupid to understand the >>> difference or is it just, as I suspect, another means of skirting around >>> issues that those that don't see the difference (i.e. really are that >>> stupid) use to justify their own stupidity. Using this nonsense as an >>> evasive tactic is dishonest and intellectual cowardice. >>> >>> I'll put it very clearly: >>> >>> Discussion of Intellectual level as per Robert Pirsig's ideas and writing >>> is >>> OK. >>> Discussion of Bo's Intellect = S/O and related ideas is NOT OK >>> >>> Is this simple enough for everyone? >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15/08/2013 10:53, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>> >>>> Arlo, OK, as Marsha says, the problem we're having is that debating >>>> the intellectual level has become taboo, and turned into an excuse to >>>> trade personal insults. Let's try and build from the following >>>> example: >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> — Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
