prodictability = predictability prodict = predict clumsy me :(
2013/8/28 Eddo Rats <[email protected]> > Hi X and all > > X says: > Robert Pirsigs answers to the problem: > "the Metaphysics of Quality answers, 'The fundamental purpose of knowledge > is to Dynamically improve and preserve society. > It says it is immoral for intellect to be dominated by society for the same > reasons it is immoral for children to be dominated by their parents. But > that > doesn't mean that children should assassinate their parents, and it doesn't > mean intellectuals should assassinate society." > "What's good is freedom from domination by any static pattern, but that > freedom > doesn't have to be obtained by the destruction of the patterns themselves." > > You've been a good Parrot to copy this from Lila X and you know jack shit > about the my use of Therozine, These remarks only emphasize weakness and > ignorance of you as a person from my perspective..........your choice. > > The problem with morally judging people based on their intellectual > values is that one of the highest intellectual value's is "prodictability" > every scientist with a theory want's his or her theorem been seen proven. > Through the whole spectrum of scientific disciplines everybody want's to > aim for the rigourous proof like its been done in natural sciences. > Nowaday's it's common culture in western society. Big insurance companies > thrive on our addiction to prodictability. Even the word "reason" implies > causality, it implies the effort of builing verbal intellectual systems > that give us the illusion of sertaity that we are able to predict. > > Pirsig says;"the Metaphysics of Quality answers, 'The fundamental purpose > of knowledge is to Dynamically improve and preserve society. > > The paradox is that with our intellectual arrogance believing to know and > prodict we eliminate room for DQ of which Pirsig say's is nessicary to > improve society. > > How do you count for this in your intellectual judgements? > > > > > 2013/8/28 X Acto <[email protected]> > >> >> >> [Ron] >> They are beliefs and criticism, but they are based in Bob Pirsigs idea >> that we can not only judge other people but other cultures based on >> their value of intellectual quality. we most certainly can morally judge >> people based on their intellectual >> values. >> >> >> Eddo responds philosophically with: >> Prove you can! or you're only talking intellectual dickshit! >> >> >> [Ron] >> O.k. Eddo, take your thorazine and allow me to clarify, I had said >> It was Robert Pirsigs belief that we can, and here is the proof of >> him having said this in quotes: >> >> "Phaedrus thought the reason this movement has been so hard to understand >> is that >> 'understanding' itself, static intellect, was its enemy." -Lila chptr 23 >> >> [Ron] >> Notice how Pirsig identifies the problem, the mistake of making >> understanding >> itself the enemy. In his book "Lila" he explains in chapters 22-24 how >> cultural >> relativism "From the perspective of a subject-object science, the world >> is a completely >> purposeless, valueless place. There is no point in anything. Nothing is >> right >> and nothing is wrong. Everything just functions, like machinery. There is >> nothing morally wrong with being lazy, nothing morally wrong with lying, >> with theft, with suicide, with murder, with genocide. There is nothing >> morally >> wrong because there are no morals, just functions." coupled with the >> hippie >> movement ideals: >> "the Hippies undermined both static and intellectual patterns. Nothing >> better >> has been introduced to replace them. The result has been a drop in both >> social >> and intellectual quality. " >> Are the cause of all the cultural paralyisis and the inhibiting of >> dynamic intellectual >> growth. >> >> Robert Pirsigs answers to the problem: >> "the Metaphysics of Quality answers, 'The fundamental purpose of knowledge >> is to Dynamically improve and preserve society. >> It says it is immoral for intellect to be dominated by society for the >> same >> reasons it is immoral for children to be dominated by their parents. But >> that >> doesn't mean that children should assassinate their parents, and it >> doesn't >> mean intellectuals should assassinate society." >> >> "What's good is freedom from domination by any static pattern, but that >> freedom >> doesn't have to be obtained by the destruction of the patterns >> themselves." >> >> "The ideal of a harmonious society in which everyone without coercion >> cooperates >> happily with everyone else for the mutual good of all is a devastating >> fiction." >> >> [Ron] >> Here is the part that you asked me to prove Pirsig wrote: >> >> "Cultures can be graded and judged morally according to their >> contribution to >> the evolution of life. >> A culture that supports the dominance of social values over biological >> values >> is an absolutely superior culture to one that does not, and a culture that >> supports the dominance of intellectual values over social values is >> absolutely >> superior to one that does not. It is immoral to speak against a people >> because >> of the color of their skin, or any other genetic characteristic because >> these >> are not changeable and don't matter anyway. But it is not immoral to speak >> against a person because of his cultural characteristics if those cultural >> characteristics are immoral. These are changeable and they do matter." >> >> Notice "if those cultural characteristics are immoral", what does >> Pirsig mean >> by immoral ? any pattern that inhibits the contribution to the dynamic >> evolution of life. >> In Pirsigs four level evolutionary model, intellectual quality is the >> highest >> and most moral static pattern of evolution. >> >> "And this is a war in which intellect, to end the paralysis of society, >> has to >> know whose side it is on, and support that side, never undercut it. Where >> biological values are undermining social values, intellectuals must >> identify >> social behavior, no matter what its ethnic connection, and support it all >> the >> way without restraint. Intellectuals must find biological behavior, no >> matter >> what its ethnic connection, and limit or destroy destructive biological >> patterns >> with complete moral ruthlessness, the way a doctor destroys germs, before >> those >> biological patterns destroy civilization itself." >> This city of dreadful night. What a disaster! >> lila chptr 24 >> >> [Ron concludes] >> I think the same could be said for the undermining of the standards for >> intellectual >> excellence, those of clarity, coherence and consistancy in meaning. I >> believe Intellectuals >> must identify intellectual behaviour, no matter what it's ethnic or >> biological connection >> and limit or destroy destructive patterns with complete moral >> ruthlessness before they >> destroy the intellectual community itself. >> I understand the need for divertisty in ideas and thought but I think >> there is a good case >> to be made for identifying intellectualy destructive behaviour and >> rooting it out. >> >> ... >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
