I meant laughing at myself in the situation, When i seriously loose my pease of mind i can't help me laughing about myself after a while. It can sometimes be offending to others who continue to stay serious.
Alan Watts explains it best in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkCcfiAG1A He also, like Pirsig, refers to zen and the art of archery When i read pirsig or listen to him in one of the video's or audio interviews I hear a lot back from what i heard Alan watts say altough he died in 1973. He also had his supporters in the Zen community, including Shunryu Suzuki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunryu_Suzuki>, the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center. As David Chadwick<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chadwick_(writer)> recounted in his biography of Suzuki, *Crooked Cucumber: the Life and Zen Teaching of Shunryu Suzuki*, when a student of Suzuki's disparaged Watts by saying "we used to think he was profound until we found the real thing", Suzuki "fumed with a sudden intensity", saying, "You completely miss the point about Alan Watts! You should notice what he has done. He is a greatbodhisattva<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva> . Chris, the son of Pirsig, was killed while leaving the san fransisco zen center at the age of 22. I wonder if there is a connection in History between Pirsig and Alan Watts. Kind regards Eddo 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Eddo, > > I like your answer of "practice by facing all kinds of suffering". > > When you don't feel the need for keeping peace-of-mind? You are good. > > By laughing, I wonder if you mean laughing at yourself in the situation? > That's a better strategy than taking a chainsaw to the motorcycle (or > other people) in frustration? But maybe you meant something else? > > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Through practice(by facing all kinds of suffering), and when i want > others > > to notice me suffering i don't feel the need for keeping peace-of-mind > but > > most of the time i can't hide my laughter. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Eddo > > > > > > 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Hi Eddo, > >> > >> I believe the suffering that the Buddha was addressing was the > >> self-inflicted (gumption trap) variety? How do you maintain > peace-of-mind > >> to best address the problem? > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Enlightenment; The cessation of suffering happens when you understand > the > >>> necessity of suffering. > >>> > >>> In the overcommming of suffering you feel alive, without it there is no > >>> reason for living. > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> > >>> Eddo > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Greetings, > >>>> > >>>> It's always interesting to revisit this 2006 interview by Tim Adams > from > >>>> the Guardian: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 'Yes, but then a kind of chaos set in. Suddenly I realised that the > >> person > >>>> who had come this far was about to expire. I was terrified, and > curious > >> as > >>>> to what was coming. I felt so sorry for this guy I was leaving behind. > >> It > >>>> was a separation. This is described in the psychiatric canon as > >> catatonic > >>>> schizophrenia. It is cited in the Zen Buddhist canon as hard > >> enlightenment. > >>>> I have never insisted on either - in fact I switch back and forth > >> depending > >>>> on who I am talking to.' > >>>> > >>>> Midwestern American society of 1960 took the psychiatrist's view. > Pirsig > >>>> was treated at a mental institution, the first of many visits. Looking > >>>> back, he suggests he was just a man outside his time. 'It was a > >> contest, I > >>>> believe, between these ideas I had and what I see as the cultural > immune > >>>> system. When somebody goes outside the cultural norms, the culture has > >> to > >>>> protect itself.' > >>>> > >>>> That immune system left him with no job and no future in philosophy; > his > >>>> wife was mad at him, they had two small kids, he was 34 and in tears > all > >>>> day. Did he think of it at the time as a Zen experience? > >>>> > >>>> 'Not really. Though the meditation I have done since takes you to a > >>>> similar place. If you stare at a wall from four in the morning till > >> nine at > >>>> night and you do that for a week, you are getting pretty close to > >>>> nothingness. And you get a lot of opportunities for staring in an > >> asylum.' > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2006/nov/19/fiction > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
