Eddo, If you mean philosophically serious, then I do agree with your laughter. - I recently purchased two pieces of jewelry to wear at my neck. One is much like a small, blank, polished, onyx tile which when I see it in a mirror represents (to me) emptiness, and also a little Buddhist story about meditation. The second is a very large (1-3/8"), round, red bead which has been carved into a tangle of turtles. I love these trinkets; they are symbols of laughter... - It is easy to identify one's own "too serious" and to break out in laughter. It is more difficult to properly recognize the emotions behind a flat screen, but easy not to react with too much gravity to that which is projection.
Alan Watts is always cool! I don't know about Chris and his experience in San Francisco, but I have the deepest regard for Mr. Pirsig, who I consider both highly intelligent and extremely generous. He built the best bridge between East and East, at least for me. Marsha On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > I meant laughing at myself in the situation, When i seriously loose my > pease of mind i can't help me laughing about myself after a while. It can > sometimes be offending to others who continue to stay serious. > > Alan Watts explains it best in. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkCcfiAG1A > He also, like Pirsig, refers to zen and the art of archery > > When i read pirsig or listen to him in one of the video's or audio > interviews I hear a lot back from what i heard Alan watts say altough he > died in 1973. > > He also had his supporters in the Zen community, including Shunryu > Suzuki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunryu_Suzuki>, > the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center. As David > Chadwick<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chadwick_(writer)> > recounted > in his biography of Suzuki, *Crooked Cucumber: the Life and Zen Teaching of > Shunryu Suzuki*, when a student of Suzuki's disparaged Watts by saying "we > used to think he was profound until we found the real thing", Suzuki "fumed > with a sudden intensity", saying, "You completely miss the point about Alan > Watts! You should notice what he has done. He is a > greatbodhisattva<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva> > . > > Chris, the son of Pirsig, was killed while leaving the san fransisco zen > center at the age of 22. I wonder if there is a connection in History > between Pirsig and Alan Watts. > > Kind regards > > Eddo > > > > > > > 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> Eddo, >> >> I like your answer of "practice by facing all kinds of suffering". >> >> When you don't feel the need for keeping peace-of-mind? You are good. >> >> By laughing, I wonder if you mean laughing at yourself in the situation? >> That's a better strategy than taking a chainsaw to the motorcycle (or >> other people) in frustration? But maybe you meant something else? >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Through practice(by facing all kinds of suffering), and when i want >> others >>> to notice me suffering i don't feel the need for keeping peace-of-mind >> but >>> most of the time i can't hide my laughter. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Eddo >>> >>> >>> 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Eddo, >>>> >>>> I believe the suffering that the Buddha was addressing was the >>>> self-inflicted (gumption trap) variety? How do you maintain >> peace-of-mind >>>> to best address the problem? >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Enlightenment; The cessation of suffering happens when you understand >> the >>>>> necessity of suffering. >>>>> >>>>> In the overcommming of suffering you feel alive, without it there is no >>>>> reason for living. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Eddo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/8/25 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's always interesting to revisit this 2006 interview by Tim Adams >> from >>>>>> the Guardian: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Yes, but then a kind of chaos set in. Suddenly I realised that the >>>> person >>>>>> who had come this far was about to expire. I was terrified, and >> curious >>>> as >>>>>> to what was coming. I felt so sorry for this guy I was leaving behind. >>>> It >>>>>> was a separation. This is described in the psychiatric canon as >>>> catatonic >>>>>> schizophrenia. It is cited in the Zen Buddhist canon as hard >>>> enlightenment. >>>>>> I have never insisted on either - in fact I switch back and forth >>>> depending >>>>>> on who I am talking to.' >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwestern American society of 1960 took the psychiatrist's view. >> Pirsig >>>>>> was treated at a mental institution, the first of many visits. Looking >>>>>> back, he suggests he was just a man outside his time. 'It was a >>>> contest, I >>>>>> believe, between these ideas I had and what I see as the cultural >> immune >>>>>> system. When somebody goes outside the cultural norms, the culture has >>>> to >>>>>> protect itself.' >>>>>> >>>>>> That immune system left him with no job and no future in philosophy; >> his >>>>>> wife was mad at him, they had two small kids, he was 34 and in tears >> all >>>>>> day. Did he think of it at the time as a Zen experience? >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Not really. Though the meditation I have done since takes you to a >>>>>> similar place. If you stare at a wall from four in the morning till >>>> nine at >>>>>> night and you do that for a week, you are getting pretty close to >>>>>> nothingness. And you get a lot of opportunities for staring in an >>>> asylum.' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2006/nov/19/fiction >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
