(Adrie) 2. From a Dynamic Quality (unpatterened) view nothing is right or wrong, better or worse.(Marsha)
One of the biggest mistakes of bhuddism, is to take indifference as a perspective, a horizon to travel towards. 2013/9/11 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > dmb, > > If I am to address your complaint I will need a little more information. > Please specify your exact complaint with each statement. And please > explain to which of the statements each quote that you've provided applies, > and exactly how it specifically justifies your compliant. > > > Marsha > > p.s. I have changed the word 'will' to 'may' in the fourth statement, as > it is a more appropriate word. If that is enough to dissolve your > complaint all the better. > > > Marsha said to djh: > > 1. I accept the MoQ's idea that the world is nothing but value. > > 2. From a Dynamic Quality (unpatterened) view nothing is right or wrong, > better or worse. > > 3. From the static (patterned) view a pattern exist because it is useful. > > 4. I also accept that on the static (conventional) level *individual > judgements* of what's bad or good may differ because of different static > pattern histories and differences in the present dynamic conditions. > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:17 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > dmb says: > > Again, you are confusing the disease with cure. The view that nothing is > right or wrong and the view that everyone has their own individual > judgements is the disease. This is exactly what Pirsig about SOM. > > > > "From the perspective of subject-object science, the world is a > completely purposeless, valueless place. There is no point to anything. > Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. Everything is just functions, like > machinery. There is nothing morally wrong with being lazy, nothing morally > wrong with lying, with theft, with suicide, with murder, with genocide. > There is nothing morally wrong because there are no morals, just > functions." (277-8) > > > > "A scientific, intellectual culture had become a culture of millions of > isolated people living and dying in little cells of psychic solitary > confinement, unable to talk to one another, really, and unable to judge one > another because scientifically speaking it is impossible to do so. ..He > could invent moral goals for himself, but they are just artificial > inventions. Scientifically speaking he has no goals." (283) > > > > Plus, it's contradictory to say the world is nothing but value and > nothing is right or wrong. > > > > "...the Metaphysics of Quality concludes that the old Puritan & > Victorian social codes should not be followed [or attacked] blindly … They > should be dusted off and re-examined, fairly and impartially, to see what > they were trying to accomplish and actually did accomplish towards building > a stronger society. ...These moral bads and goods are not just ‘customs’. > They are as real as rocks and trees." > > > > "In a subject-object understanding of the world these terms have no > meaning. There is no such thing as "human rights." There is no such thing > as moral reasonableness. There are subjects and objects and nothing > else.This soup of sentiments about logically nonexistent entities can be > straightened out by the Metaphysics of Quality. It says that what is meant > by "human rights" is usually the moral code of intellect-vs. -society, the > moral right of intellect to be free of social control... According to the > Metaphysics of Quality these "human rights" have not just a sentimental > basis, but a rational, metaphysical basis. They are essential to the > evolution of a higher level of life from a lower level of life. They are > for real." (307) > > > > > > How can you square your view with Pirsig's text? Crowbars and dynamite, > perhaps? > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
