dmb & Andre,
The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but
to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static,
intellectual attachments of the past. "
(LILA, Chapter 9)
Marsha
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> dmb:
>
> And that is why, I suppose, Andre posed the question the way he did. Marsha's
> assertions about the static world being "like an illusion" should raise moral
> objections, I think, and it totally makes sense that Andre would frame his
> question with the use of atomic weapons and the holocaust. The question
> becomes, "in what sense is the murder of millions of innocents like an
> illusion"? Saying this is as conventionally real as rocks and trees is
> unhelpful as an explanation, of course, and the emotional coldness is more
> than a little disturbing. I mean, Pirsig is referring to social and
> intellectual values in that quote. Those moral codes are "as real as rocks
> and trees". Why is morality so strangely absent from the scene, even when
> question so obviously involves morality? I think it's very creepy.
>
> Andre:
> Exactly dmb (as usual). I was quite guarded in my use of words to Marsha but
> I do seriously mean a re-consideration of my subscription here. My
> participation here with people who espouse ideas that are deeply immoral and
> offensive to any not naively thinking human being is, to use a euphemism,
> undermining the MoQ (See Anthony's PhD for Pirsig's idea of a 'naively'
> thinking person).
>
> Immersing oneself in the MoQ avoids that type of wavering/malicious bull.
>
>
>
>
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