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> On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:34 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Andre,
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> I didn't state that anatta was the same as 'small self'.  I'll leave you with 
> your personal evaluations. There is nothing here I wish to discuss.
> 
> 
Notice the questions to Andre began with "who" and "whom"?  The questions are 
pertaining to anatta, or small self? 
> 
> Marsha
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>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Marsha to Ron:
>> Notice the questions to Andre began with "who" and "whom"? The questions are 
>> pertaining to anatta, or small self?
>> 
>> Andre:
>> Who the heck do you think you are, on this discuss other than anatta? And, 
>> by the way, you have it wrong. Anatta refers to 'no-self' which is different 
>> to small self. To whom is Ron directing his question other than anatta which 
>> you term 'small self'??? This is the world we live in and what we are!! 
>> Sq...we ARE these patterns. And, oh...Big Self (no-self) has nothing to say. 
>> It is silent...I experience this several times a day. But that is not the 
>> one writing these lines.
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> The questions in no way were meant to indicate that "the "right way" means 
>> whatever one wants it to mean."
>> 
>> Andre:
>> Marsha, there is something fundamentally wrong with the way you go about 
>> this discuss. I'll refer to your 'apology' earlier today:
>> 
>> 'There is so much not available in an email communication.  I only see words 
>> on a screen without any emotional cues.  I tend not to want to make things 
>> personal for that reason.  I don't really know you at all.  If I misread you 
>> tone, I apologize.  I too easily fall into the pattern of using past 
>> experiences.'
>> 
>> Andre continues:
>> 
>> Do you not register that a human being types these words? Do you ONLY see 
>> words and nothing else?
>> 
>> This really confirms my (and some others') idea that you are so suspicious 
>> of the intellectual level (in your mind= SOM)that you do not see or feel or 
>> hear any living patterns behind the written language. Anti-intellectualism 
>> to a sickly extreme.
>> 
>> Do you think that you, on this forum discussing Pirsig's MoQ, are addressed 
>> as anything other than your 'small self? (Yes, the world and all it's 
>> inhabitants are an illusion...it's analogies all the way down and up and 
>> left and right and centered and below and wherever you want them to be) AND 
>> SO ARE YOU.
>> So why not behave as part of that illusion if you want to seriously engage 
>> in discussions on this Discuss.
>> Avoiding discussions and appealing to 'anatta' (i.e. not-self) won't win you 
>> any flavours or favours. It is a sickly way to escape...because that is what 
>> it is. An ESCAPE and NOT a constructive way to creatively move a discussion 
>> along or throw a completely different light on an old topic or simply answer 
>> a question. NO! You use it as a way to wriggle through, to slither your way 
>> out of any and every situation.
>> 
>> You asked me the other day on your comment that 'If your speech is not 
>> useful and beneficial,...it is better to keep silent.':
>> 
>> I gave you my view and you answered:Record of what, and interpreted by whom? 
>>  Who is at the core of such opinion?
>> 
>> It is very obvious that the 'record' you are referring to is your own (just 
>> check the archives). Interpreted by many readers and participants of this 
>> discuss. Who or what is at the core of such an opinion?
>> 
>> I'll tell you Marsha: the one who wrote this is the one who reads this. And 
>> if that is not clear enough: the one who reads this is the one who wrote 
>> this.
>> 
>> Stop hiding and own up!
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