Hi MarshaV and All,

The "con" "Cum (with)?" (part of "conceptual"?) left Pirsig with no
alternative but to opt for indefinable DQ.  "Con" seems to be attached to
Cum latin for with.  Con (with consciousness) and ceptual (capture ?) used
together seem to be strange bedfellows!  But metaphysics DQ/SQ conquers all.

Joe


On 12/12/13 1:35 AM, "MarshaV" <val...@att.net> wrote:

> 
> Joe,
> 
> I consider metaphysics to be a conceptual model of reality.  Can we agree on
> this point?
>  
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> p.s.  For those who are Door fans, I hope you've watched 'The Doors: Mr. Mojo
> Risin': The Story of L.A. Woman'. On youtube:
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYigFBVNwXU
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>> 
>> Love does not grow from a feeling perspective.  Love flows from metaphysical
>> individuality.  I am alone!  Feeling, idea, decision all participate in the
>> growing love for individuality.  You Know, like: By this will all men know
>> you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
>> 
>> Imho Joe 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/11/13 3:43 AM, "MarshaV" <val...@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Feel it in your fingers, feel it in your toes
>>>      Love is all around you and so the feeling grows
>>>           It is written on the wind, it's everywhere you go
>>>                So if you really love me, come on and let it show
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi MarshaV and all,
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose idiosyncrasies are discernable.
>>>> 
>>>> For the discernment of reality by an individual sentient DQ/SQ is a proper
>>>> format.  I experience the indefinable.
>>>> 
>>>> How is that possible?
>>>> 
>>>> SOM based in definition is inadequate to describe social indefinable
>>>> reality.  There is no logical argument in defined words able to discern the
>>>> indefinable/individual being in reality.  DQ perception is the ball to run
>>>> with.  
>>>> 
>>>> DQ/SQ indefinable/definable base for knowledge.
>>>> 
>>>> Pirsig realized that the existence of an indefinable is still discernable!
>>>> DQ individuality is known beyond definition.  DQ is observed in the
>>>> experience of individuality and 1 follows.
>>>> 
>>>> The reality of the individual is DQ/SQ metaphysical reality.  Words used
>>>> for
>>>> the communication of individuality are indefinable and difficult to argue
>>>> in
>>>> reality.  Metaphysics!
>>>> 
>>>> Joe 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/10/13 12:51 AM, "MarshaV" <val...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We are suspended in language", and your posts are suspended in your
>>>>> particular idiosyncrasies.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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