(I said I was gonna shut up, but a couple things changed my mind and #1 on the list is that going off in a snit, takes all the fun out of dialogue and people deserve to be entertained)
Ant, Before you get further up on your high horse than you already are, let me explain a few things that you don't seem to understand. On 5/17/14, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: > John, > > Well, you brought-up the descriptive word "snide" which helpfully informs me > that's what you personally think you are. > > However, if you want MY personal opinion about your behaviour on this > discussion board recently, I think you're an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. For > instance, you made the following statement to Ron Kulp yesterday: > > > "All the stuff I'd thought I'd do different, when I was a dad, I remembered > when I got old, and I listened to. I was lucky, I had a pretty good > dad. Emotionally distant, like all dads were, back then. But he spoke > truth to me, when we talked. He was pretty much an Indian dad, raised by an > indian dad himself. These patterns pass on." > > > If this statement is indeed accurate rather than just more of the same old > usual bullshit from yourself, you should be ashamed of yourself. What an > embarassment you are for someone with that background. > Jc First off, you obviously got a very over-romanticized vision of "indian" in your head, Anthony. Too many books on the noble savage on european bookshelves, no doubt. 2nd of all, when I talk about indian fathering patterns, I'm not too proud of them. they don't fit real well in the modern age. Social Patterns do that, you know. They wear out and get old. 3rdly, RMP talked about the Plains Indians, but here's news for you. Not all indians are the same. Far from it! Don't just lump us all into one category (wogs) and be done with it. The Teenessee Cherokee were a lot different than most other tribes - they actually had their own alphabet, and frankly, meshed pretty well with the Scotts invaders in those hills. 4thly, my dad's dad was an indian, but all my dad wanted was to get the hell away from all that old crap and own a white man's success in a white man's world. The kind of fathering that got passed on, wasn't herbs and flowers. It was shut the fuck up when the old man was around and child-rearing was for squaws. My wife with the Welsh upbringing, had a differnet kind of fathering that has certainly taught me some stuff. But alas, these patterns seem to pass on, even when we fight them. But they do dissapate with time and I did a lot better than my dad did (who did a lot better than HIS dad did) and my kids are going to do a much better job than me. They've had my wife's dad in their lives, from the beginning, for one, and my dad hardly ever came around. And finally, it really seems stupid for you to deem me "an embarrassment" or judge me at all. I don't live by your standards and you don't know me. So try and stick to the words on the screen, and keep the personal jibes out of it. You outta weed? I got lots, more than I'll ever need. Send my your address and I'll chill you out, dude. > It's tragic actually. Robert Pirsig is one of the few North American > philosophers with a white background who has made a substantial and sincere > effort in understanding and promoting Native American ideas and culture in > the last fifty years. (FSC Northrop would be another). > First of all, Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about there. Second of all, who cares? Indian's don't need the white man's forking tongue. They speak for themselves and are a living and vibrant nation, within the American character and through its expression. Johhny Cash and Elvis were also Tennessee mixes where you can see the cheeks on their face, and hear the songs in their heart and hear for yourself that the indian song is not gone or in danger. And if you don't believe that, look at all the indian casinos. ant: > However, whether it's down to you being too Westernised Hell yes. WILD Western-ized. ant: > now or someone on > this Board has really pissed you off (probably David Buchanan and, > undoubtedly myself now), your attitude here stinks. Jc: About dmb, methinkest thou protesteth too much, and I figured your championing of him would get you and me tangled in the end cuz that guy absolutely hates me. From way back. And yeah, I know, Robert Pirsig loves him and yet I love Robert Pirsig! It's a strange and cruel world sometimes. Love triangles all around. Ant: >It's disrepectful Jc: Further proof that you have no idea of indians, indian attitudes or indian ways. Respect is earned by doing, not celebrity or authority. Ant: >and > (as I've noticed over then last few months) you've made very little if any > substantive comments about the MOQ; which, of course, is the reason that we > are meant to be here. > Jc: When you say "about", do you mean parrotting? Because that's something weird I've encountered with both you and dmb , that you think the MoQ is to be memorized and staticized whereas I believe that metaphysics of Quality implies potential for continuuing betterness., That is, the question of what is good and not, can be asked ad inifitum about anything and everything, including the MoQ itself. It's a process, not a thing. You guys seem to want to carve it in stone and cause it to be worshipped. That's the problem with humanity, they try and make a religion out of everything. Well not the MoQ, fuck you very much. This is sacred ground and not to be contained in your shelves and definitions, white man. > IMHO, I think you need to start with writing an apology letter to Robert > Pirsig today about your behaviour on the Discuussion group set-up and > endorsed by him to discuss his Metaphysics of Quality. You can write to > Pirsig directly via his publisher, Harper Collins. Their address follows: > > > Author Mail > c/o HarperCollins Publishers > 10 East 53rd Street > New York, NY 10022-5299 > > > Pirsig is not a particularly well man these days so please have the decency > (at least for once) to keep your apology short. > Well obviously there's no need to go through all that snail mail since if he's aware of the problem of "disrespect" he's aware of the medium through which it was made and if he's not, why bother the man? Let's just keep it simple, ok? Dear Bob, I apologize for the abject state of your only academical representation in the world today. Unfortunately you were right all along and no person of Quality would want to have anything to do with that instrument of asshole-ery - the academy. I feel somewhat to blame because I really felt early on that if I'd just cared enough, I could have taken SOM on in the academy myself but in the end I decided I'd rather keep my sanity and have a family and a happy life. It was self-serving, in a way, but all I can say was that it seemed the quality decision at the time. But when I see what we've come to, I may have made a mistake. Sorry, Yours prayerfully, John > In the meantime, I'm going to ask Horse to get you removed from this Board > at the earliest possible instance. I hope that's absolutely clear to you. > > Dr McWatt Here's news for you ant. I'm not as stupid as d(u)mb tells you I am. I got your message loud and clear. You wanna rub me out. Gotcha. I hope you don't mind if I fight back a bit? I mean, it can be entertaining for the bystanders, at least, and if our leader and hero is laying sick in bed, lets give him some entertainment. Often it is seeing how the story ends, that keeps us interested in waking up the next day. or we could just kick everybody dissenting off MD and have it nice and quiet. But what fun is that? Jc -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play *with* boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
