Arlo and John > 5 jun 2014 kl. 17:19 skrev ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR <[email protected]>: > > [John] > Well clearly I was being ironic. I don't think that differentiaion is bad. > > [Arlo] > Who said "differentiation is bad"? What you're doing is the reductio ad > absurdum, by suggesting that because Pirsig sought to fuse classical and > romantic modes of thinking (the result of SOM) into one, that ALL forms of > difference (e.g. you suggested "night and day" and "male and female") are > useless. > > > [John] > Just to be clear, Arlo, are you saying the concept "art" ought to be > eliminated? > > [Arlo] > "Art" is high-quality endeavor. I've said this repeatedly. Why would you > suggest I want to "eliminate" the concept? "Art" suffers under the > classic/romantic schism, and, like Pirsig, I hold that uniting these RESCUES > 'art'. > > [John] > You think that would make everybody more artistic in their academic and and > economic production? > > [Arlo] > Like Pirsig, I think expanding the concept of "art" to apply equally to > motorcycle repair and painting make all forms of human activity potentially > better. Yes, I think both academics and business professionals benefit from > an understanding that unites (classical) 'science' and (romantic) 'art'. > > [John] > You really think it would help us if we just eliminated all art classed, and > then remove the name so we won't miss it? > > [Arlo] > Again, this is absurd. But, on the level of terminology, why not rename 'art > classes' to just say the activity? "Painting 101", "An Introduction to > Sculpture", "Music in the Middle Ages". Then we could have classes like "The > Art of Painting", "The Art of Rhetoric", "The Art of Rationality", "The Art > of Motorcycle Repair".
Don't forget "The Art of Losing Control" (aka the bus ticket to Nirvana City). > > But, here, I suggest you read Doorly. And Ant has already given you Doorly's > way of approaching the terminology. > > [John] > Since sculpture is the same as rotisserie assembly and motorcycle > maintenance, then we don't need separate terms so lets just call it all what > it is. > > [Arlo] > Sculpting with clay, assembling a rotisserie, and repairing a motorcycle > require both domain specific knowledge and an awareness that the patterns you > are working on are in harmony with yourself and everything else. You continue > to suggest that by uniting classical and romantic separations that anyone can > do anything. Expertise derives from care, which derives from both an > understanding of the historically accumulated knowledge on that activity AND > an appreciation/awareness of immediate Quality. In LILA terms, you need BOTH > static and Dynamic Quality. Right on, Arlo Jan-Anders (sent from my iphone) Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
