John to Ron:
I think there is an aspect of intellect, that is very close to DQ. Intellect is 
indefinable and yeah, I know everything is, but intellect is indefinable in a 
special way - since it's the means of defining as well. So defining intellect, 
is most of all,  more a creative art than a rigorously logical process.

That's all I'm sayin’.

Andre:
I’ve been keeping quiet John, following your twittering Facebook enhancing 
drivel. Let’s just say I agree with Arlo, Dan, dmb, Ron and Ant about your 
social media exploits and the quagmire of confusions you are finding yourself 
in. 

I also agree with Horse suggesting that he isn’t about to throw anyone off this 
MD who may have difficulties  or misunderstandings about Pirsig’s MoQ but who 
IS willing to listen and learn and then puts those learnings, offered by other 
posters into practice.

I do draw a line however with the poster who, justifying his/her own 
misunderstanding blames Pirsig for being responsible and that is just what you 
do John. This practice follows Bodvar and Marsha (just to name two) who also 
had a way of blaming Pirsig for their OWN ignorance, lack and subsequent drivel.

The above excerpt from you to RON is just a small sample of your preschool 
logic John and I wholeheartedly agree with dmb suggesting you look for another 
hobby. Perhaps your own initiative of joining the stoics is an idea but if you 
display the same preppy level of skillful manipulation of symbols you continue 
to display here on this MD I doubt very much if they let you in.

All the best anyway.




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