On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:42 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:

DMB:
>> To take ideals, abstractions, universals and the like as actual things is
>> the most persistent feature of Idealist (or Rationalist) philosophers.
> 
> 
> JC:
> So to take Quality, as an "actual thing" (meaning existent, I assume) would
> fall under the same heading?  For is not DQ an ideal?  And an abstraction?
> and a Universal?  I don't see how you can't see that.  It's flabbergasting.

Ron comments:
That us just it, for an empiricist,
The Dynamic is not an ideal or 
Abstraction. Not a metaphysical
Chess piece, but actual immediate
Experience, the burning in the now.

You may argue that immediate 
Experience is composed of analogies 
And ideas, and we use those analogies to understand make sense
And give meaning to immediate experience but those analogies 
Are only ever simplifications and
Are not the source of those ideas.

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