I guess I don't get pure experience. I mean, I hear what y'all are saying about it but "pre-conceptual" is just as ephemeral as "god' and not one half as useful.
Every moment is connected to a past, with an expectation of a future and without memory and expectation (conceptualization) there is no meaning or utility. So why talk about it? If my "now" has any sort of burning, it's fueled by memory and expectation. Meditating upon nothingness is highly touted as the way to go, but burning requires something more than nothing. Why do we need a source for ideas? Aren't the ideas themselves enough? That's why radical empiricism seems un-pragmatic to me. JC On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:42 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > > DMB: > >> To take ideals, abstractions, universals and the like as actual things > is > >> the most persistent feature of Idealist (or Rationalist) philosophers. > > > > > > JC: > > So to take Quality, as an "actual thing" (meaning existent, I assume) > would > > fall under the same heading? For is not DQ an ideal? And an > abstraction? > > and a Universal? I don't see how you can't see that. It's > flabbergasting. > > Ron comments: > That us just it, for an empiricist, > The Dynamic is not an ideal or > Abstraction. Not a metaphysical > Chess piece, but actual immediate > Experience, the burning in the now. > > You may argue that immediate > Experience is composed of analogies > And ideas, and we use those analogies to understand make sense > And give meaning to immediate experience but those analogies > Are only ever simplifications and > Are not the source of those ideas. > > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play *with* boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
