I agree Ron. That is a good way of putting it. Somebody, I can't remember who, pointed out that reality is not a scientific term but rather a philosophical one.
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'd say science pertains to a representation of reality. That's why > > science is malleable and subject to revision... no? > > > Ron replies: > I would say so, a model or representation is tested in experience > As having the ability to accurately predict observable phenomena. > Thanks Dan that's a better way of putting it. > > >> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> John, > >> What does science pertain to if not > >> A kind of reality? > >> > >>> On May 22, 2015, at 3:09 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Ron, Jan and all, > >>> > >>> Science sees itself outside of the rhetorical game? Sort of. Perhaps > >>> another way of saying it is that science sees it's rhetorical games as > of a > >>> very special class. That pertaining to actual reality. When science > does > >>> this, it's making a big mistake. > >>> > >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> This is what was very interesting about the article from my point of > view. > >>>> Science sees itself as outside the rhetorical game. Therefore it does > not > >>>> utilize the art of persuasion as effectively because it assumes the > facts > >>>> speak for themselves , the facts > >>>> Themselves should be convincing enough. However, experience shows that > >>>> this not enough and sadly science is losing the battle in the arena of > >>>> public opinion. > >>>> > >>>>> On May 20, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey Jan, John , > >>>>> I think the idea being expressed In that quote John posted is that > what > >>>> often is passed as "fact" is often opinion or point of view. An > assumption > >>>> . However, facts or truth in scientific terms is verifiable in > experience. > >>>> Often that quote or idea is popularly misapplied in academic > environments > >>>> today. > >>>>> -Ron > >>>>> > >>>>>> On May 20, 2015, at 4:04 AM, Jan Anders Andersson < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi JC > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Doesn’t that show the dichotomy between a social moral, which is > >>>> defined by a group excluding other groups, and the intellectual moral > >>>> level, where scientific concepts are the same for any individual? > >>> > >>> > >>> it can lead a hasty interpretation in that direction, Jan-anders, but a > >>> closer examination shows a deeper truth - that the distinction between > >>> social and intellectual is non-absolute. that is, the line between is > >>> more dualistic and relational than distinct and oppositional. At least > >>> from an enlightened point of view! Which I take as an assumption, > here. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> It is also problematic, for me, to assume the 4th level (as we > >>> conceptualize it for convenience) to be ruled by science. Intellect is > >>> much bigger than mere science can comprehend - for intellect accepts > the > >>> existence of DQ, and science does not. > >>> > >>> JC > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.danglover.com > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play *with* boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
