[Platt]
> Quality is pre-intellectual experience is Zen.
> "That's a good dog" is Indian. The MOQ omits Indian
gods. 


     Platt, I do not disagree with you above except I
question the "The MOQ omits Indian gods" below.  Also
Zen is intellectual, too, and what of a "good dog" is
so Amerindian, or is there more to this Amerindian
perspective that conditions the Amerindian to notice
"a good dog" as opposed to something else.  
     I find a true test of ones knowledge is based on
experience.  To do this in writing (for you and I are
only chatting via email) a helpful way for me to truly
understand how Zen and Amerindian fit with the MoQ is
not only pointing at what Pirsig says, but you say. 
I'm not saying forever don't quote, for I have a quote
below from Lila.  I'm saying I wouldn't mind at this
point to not only see your knowledge of MoQ, but your
experience, your own way of expressing what and how
Zen and Amerindian fits into the MoQ.
       By the way, how might "The MOQ omits Indian
gods" fit with this quote from Lila Ch. 9 as follows:

     "American Indians are exceptionally skilled at
holding to the ever-changing center of things. That is
the real reason they speak and act without
ornamentation. It violates their mystic unity. This
moving and acting and talking in accord with the Great
Spirit and almost nothing else has been the ancient
center of their lives.
Their term manito is often used interchangeably with
'God' by whites who usually think all religion is
theistic and by Indians themselves who don't make a
big deal out of any verbal distinctions. But as David
Mandelbaum noted in his book The Plains Cree, 'The
term manito primarily referred to the Supreme Being
but also had many other usages. It was applied to
manifestations of skill, fortune, blessing, luck, to
any wondrous occurrence. It connoted any phenomenon
that transcended the run of everyday experience.'
In other words, 'Dynamic Quality.'"


I hope you understand I'm trying to ask with a true
curiosity that gets to the heart of Platt's
perspective, thanks.



day disappears and the beauty of winter remains,
SA


 
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