Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Where do you find misunderstandings in the paradoxes I wrote above? > Are you suggesting science finds the universe nonrandom, nonchaotic with > meaningful (purposeful) events? Or that models of evolution, for example, > include the all modeler's feelings, memories and thoughts? > > [Case] > Ok Statement One: > > "According to systematic, orderly, meaningful science the universe is a > random, chaotic sequence of meaningless events." > > Saying that the universe is random and chaotic is just a matter of fact > statement of how things are it does not mean that they are meaningless. They > derive meaning from their relationships and from our understanding and > application of these relationships.
What in your opinion is the meaning of a random, chaotic universe? Pirsig says its meaning is to become better. > Statement Two: > > "All models science creates leave out the mind that created the model." > > This is not a paradox it is simply a falsehood. There are whole branches of > science the study the mind and human behavior, from medicine to economics. Where do you observe in any model of human behavior the modeler's own consciousness? When you find out how to put yourself in the modeler's head, please let us know. > [Platt] > After explaining the misunderstandings, try these: > > The present never changes, but everything that changes changes > in the present. > > [Case] > Who says the present never changes? While I don't subscribe to this, the > traditional view would be that only the past never changes. Have you ever awaken in the morning to find the present not there? Even when thinking about the past or asleep, we're in the present. Unless you have figured out a way to time travel. > [Platt] > and > > The theory that all is matter and energy consists of neither energy nor > matter. > > [Case] > I will defer to your expertise in physics on this one but I thought the idea > was that matter is energy. What form of energy or matter is found in a thought? If your answer is psychic energy, I'll happily eliminate this paradox from my list. :-) ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
