Marsha. 3/28 Marsha wrote:
> Magnus and Bo, > It seems you have been discussing 'pointing at the moon' versus the > 'the Moon'. The MOQ as Intellectual ideas is the 'pointing to the > moon'. The Moon is a place where the rules of intellect are left > behind. Where a dualistic language is left behind. I know from later posts that you two have found each other "under the moon" ;-) although I don't fully grasp how it disproves the SOL interpretation. Is it that "moon" is a concept and the light in the sky is "objective"? If so you are stuck in intellect's S/O (concept/object) trying to escape it while simultaneously accepting its premises. AKA "mysticism". Look, the said "light in the sky" has undergone fundamental shifts, from ancient time (social age in our lingo) when the Ancients regarded it a god or goddess and had no discussions about any difference between its god-quality and the its sense- quality. Only with the intellectual level did the the said phenomenon become an object and the name a concept. So you see its not language which is dualistic - the said Ancients surely had language - it's the intellectual LEVEL which imposes its dualism on language - and all existence. > I have reconciled this by thinking of the MOQ levels as a triangle or > pyramid. The mystic portion of the MOQ being the point and leading > edge in the Intellectual Level cutting into the future towards > freedom. It's a visual that works for me. No bad model, but in that case the leading point has moved so far ahead that it can see the rest of the pyramid - including intellect as an edifice made up of static layers. I simply can't accept that a subset of the MOQ (the 4th static level) contains the MOQ. But I know only too well what causes it, namely intellect - to you all - is MIND, the realm of thinking. After the MOQ has rejected it mind goes as strong as ever, and nothing I say makes the slightest dent in the intellect=mind notion. > Bo, speak to me of the MOQ using the language of the Moon. I've asked > you a few times. Speak to me of the MOQ using a form of communication > that is above the Intellectual Level. Right, I have done so. Language is the "form of communication" that served the mythological reality, the SOM reality and now the Quality Reality which transforms the said realities into its own social and intellectual levels. > Or am I missing both your points. Obviously my point. IMO Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
