Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Are you suggesting those who rob to feed their drug habit are better > than Einstein or Picasso? > > [Arlo] > I'm suggesting that it is a lower quality activity. But you keep > sliding into criminality. If "some people are better than others", > apart from criminal behavior, how do we tell them apart? Why is James > Gleick (advancer of intellectual patterns) not better than Sam Walton > (advancer of social patterns)?
Sam Walton an advancer of social patterns? How so? To me he is high intellect having created a better system of distributing goods. > [Platt] > No. Soldiers, police, firemen volunteer for those jobs. > > [Arlo] > So volunteers are better people than who don't volunteer? What makes > a soldier a better person than you, if not the self-sacrifice for greater > good? Fighting for dynamic freedom. I don't why it is so hard for many here to understand and accept that in the MOQ freedom the highest value. > [Platt] > I'm suggesting that Pirsig agrees with me that some people are > morally superior to others. > > [Arlo] > You mean the wealth-producers are morally superior to the poor? If > not, why would you deny medical assistance to a poor person? No, I don't mean that. What has medical assistance got to do with who is morally superior? > [Platt] > Yes, I know you would rather give up your liberty than go hungry, or > "Better red than dead." For me, like Pirsig, freedom is the highest > value. "Give me liberty or give me death." > > [Arlo] > Since Pirsig is a self-avowed lifelong democrat, I doubt he'd side > with those who want to toss the poor on the streets to starve and > suffer in illness. "Freedom", according to the MOQ, rests on the > strength of the static patterns supporting it. Creating a > capistocracy, where who live and who dies is dependent on one's > ability to generate wealth is hardly something I'd consider MOQ-supported. Freedom means you can support all the poor who make you feel good supporting. It doesn't mean you have the right to put a gun to your neighbor's head and force him to pay for your cold medicine. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
