Quoting Ant McWatt April 14th (starting with a spin from the "Ragged
Trousered Philanthropists"):
>The GP deputising service ("Grimecare") mentioned in the Independent
>article is private!
>
>Note the first sentence from "Grimecare's" website:
>
>"Grimecare is part of the Nestor Healthcare Group, the UK's number one
>independent provider of personnel and service solutions to the fast-growing
>health and social care market."
>
>http://www.primecare.uk.net
>
>
>As Platt meant to say... privatised healthcare, thanks but no thanks! :-)
Platt Holden replied to the above April 14th:
Nice try, Ant. To repeat the headline and first sentence of the Independent
story:
"Neglectful' NHS told dying woman to take laxatives
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 13 April 2007
"A 36-year-old mother of four died in agony as a result of "gross" errors
by NHS staff made on two separate occasions, an inquest found."
Last time I looked, NHS means Britain's National Health Service, a
socialized
system of government health care.
Ant McWatt comments:
Look again my short-sighted friend. The article doesn't state whether these
"NHS staff" were from the public or private sectors (though we know
definitely, from later in the article, that some of them were from the
privatised "Grimecare"). As I mentioned earlier this month, since the 1980s
when the NHS began to follow the Thatcher introduced philosophies of
right-wing US business "gurus", it's been a mix of privatised and publically
owned services (rather than the just the latter). Hence, amongst other
conservative follies, the expensive mess you mentioned about the recent
updating of the NHS computer system into one network.
(BTW, if you require references about Thatcher's misplaced love affair with
right-wing US business "gurus", look at the bibliography of my education
essay at robertpirsig.org)
Platt Holden continued April 14th:
Or perhaps I should no longer believe Jos Laycock that the Independent is
an example of professional, i.e., accurate journalism?
Ant McWatt comments:
Or perhaps you should look into an issue properly before spouting nonsense
about it? :-)
Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER April 14th:
>Platt's correct in quoting the first sentence, but Ant is correct in
>pointing
>out that the negligence is the fault of Primecare (a privitized health
>provider). Read the article, and you'll see that.
>The link is here
>(http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2056106,00.html)
Platt Holden replied to Arlo April 14th:
So then it would appear that the journalistic professionalism of the
Independent
is not what Jos Laycock purported it to be, given that that both the
headline
and the lead are misleading.
Ant McWatt comments:
So now it's the paper's fault that you didn't read the full article
properly?
Platt continued April 14th:
Am I now to scratch that paper from my list of trustworthy news sources?
Ant McWatt comments:
That would be a mistake on your part as Jos Laycock is indeed correct to
point out that the Independent is one of the most trustworthy newspapers
published in the UK.
Platt continued April 14th:
Where shall I go in England to find a straight-talking newspaper?
The Sun? At least I presume the girls it features are genuine.
Ant McWatt comments:
Well, being a Murdoch owned rag, it comes as no surprise that the Sun has an
equally low journalistic quality on a par with the other Murdoch owned media
sources you often quote on this forum.
Anyway, to expand this argument, the NHS is an example of when a particular
ideology is followed blindly irrespective of its appropriateness for a
particular service or provision of goods. The MOQ shows that what _works
best_ in practice must be given priority above the tenets of any particular
static ideology (whether that's socialism or capitalism or whatever).
Hence, selling automobiles is fine within a 100% free market (you're not
going to die if you don't have the latest Oldsmobile) but selling healthcare
isn't. Privatising the NHS to any further extent than it is already isn't
the answer to its problems.
Best wishes,
Anthony
.
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